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There are three methods to deal with international conflicts: diplomacy, economic means and military action. With terrorism, diplomacy is useless and military action can be costly in US lives and ineffective in this case due to the difficulty in identifying the enemy. Who *is* the enemy and where? Is it the military of Iraq? No. The individuals who blew up the WTC were Saudi and Egyptian. Is it a war against Islam? Similar to the 1950's and 60's War against Communism? Did we succeed in winning the war on communism militarily? No (Bay of Pigs, Korea, Vietnam) Do we want to use force to stamp out one of the world's largest religions? No, we'd fail just like the crusades failed.

Without the cash from oil, Islam is not a threat to us. They would return to the primitive farming and trading methods of their grandfathers and not have the funding for training camps in Africa and terrorist cells overseas; they'd be too busy just trying to make a living.

We only import about 50% of our oil consumed. If we can decrease our consumption at least until our own production is increased, then we take away their cash and thereby eliminate them as threats. Look at Cuba, for example, once the Soviet Union stoped bankrolling them, they stopped being a risk to our national security.

And, the unintended consequences of reduced automobile dependency would mostly be positive for our civilization.

Without the cash from oil, Islam is not a threat to us.

No matter how many times you make a false assumption it will never become true. Your whole argument is based on a false assumption.

And taking away my freedoms to try your childish experiments is the same thing as terrorists taking away my freedoms for their purposes.

I am at perpetual war with ANYONE who attempts to violate my rights, Islamic terrorists, or home grown do-gooder tyrants like you.

And, the unintended consequences of reduced automobile dependency would mostly be positive for our civilization.

Your real agenda is showie dearie. What happened over at DU? They kick you out for being too moderate in your liberalism?

" There are three methods to deal with international conflicts: diplomacy, economic means and military action. With terrorism, diplomacy is useless and military action can be costly in US lives and ineffective in this case due to the difficulty in identifying the enemy. Who *is* the enemy and where? Is it the military of Iraq? No. The individuals who blew up the WTC were Saudi and Egyptian. Is it a war against Islam? Similar to the 1950's and 60's War against Communism? Did we succeed in winning the war on communism militarily? No (Bay of Pigs, Korea, Vietnam) Do we want to use force to stamp out one of the world's largest religions? No, we'd fail just like the crusades failed."

First of all, we lost the Bay of Pigs because much like the RINO's like yourself, we didn't have the backbone to do what we promised. If we had used our air power, Cuba would have been a wealthy and prosoperous nation today. I would not call South Korea a failure. They are one of the economic power houses of the world. Finally, Vietnam. We lost because the hippie freaks who now endorse what you support as this commercial does, opposed the U.S. actually winning the war and that moron LBJ tried to fight a war with "theory" instead of concerted action. The war against terrorism has only one way to win:

We kill all who oppose us. If we kill 5-10 million radical Muslims, so be it. If you want to negotiate with a rattlesnake, go for it, but when you're dying from the venom, don't call me.

" Without the cash from oil, Islam is not a threat to us."

CONGRATULATIONS!!!! We are only one week into the new year and you already have won the Most Moronic Statement of the FRYear award!!!! Islam is not a threat to us, period. RADICAL Islam is. They will fight us with or without oil money because there is always someone, somewhere, willing to contribute to their cause. So when you get your head out of yoru butt, please, give us all a medical report.

"They would return to the primitive farming and trading methods of their grandfathers and not have the funding for training camps in Africa and terrorist cells overseas; they'd be too busy just trying to make a living."

So all of those agents from Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc. smuggled into the U.S. via Mexico and Canada are just going to retire to Iowa and become farmers? You are so naive it's pathetic. Do you still take your teeth and put them under the pillow praying for a dime every night?

" We only import about 50% of our oil consumed."

And we export 65% of our Alaskan production to the Far East. Hmmmmmm, pretty stupid ain't it?

"If we can decrease our consumption at least until our own production is increased, then we take away their cash and thereby eliminate them as threats."

Naive as hell again. So you're stating openly that you are willing to quit drinking anything that comes in a plastic bottle, you will not buy any more comptuers, you will not by any food or goods in plastic containers, you won't drive anymore, you won't fly anymore and you won't buy any oil based products? Damn, you'll have a boring life. Better hope glass and paper make a huge comeback.

" Look at Cuba, for example, once the Soviet Union stoped bankrolling them, they stopped being a risk to our national security."

I guess you're right there. Those 18 Cuban spies arrested in Florida over the last two weeks indicates an increase in peace and tranquility between us and them. All of the guns and other goods that Cuba exports means everything is hunky-dorey too. You need to get out more often.

" And, the unintended consequences of reduced automobile dependency would mostly be positive for our civilization."

I'm glad that you are able to quote directly from "Earth in the Balance". What other Algorisms do you have to add to this discussion???