[Dan Day]

What university taught you that our Solar System was stationary? Name it so that I can get their accreditation pulled.

Troll me once, shame on you, troll me twice, shame on me.

Quick, Troll, point out where I said that the "Solar System was stationary". I didn't. I said that the *Sun* was stationary relative to the Earth's orbit (and the rest of the Solar System), and indeed it is. Even a child should have gotten a clue from the way I wrote:

"The Sun doesn't go zooming around the solar system. It sits right there in the middle, century after century."

Stop trolling -- I caught onto your weird hobby several threads ago, and it only torpedoes your own credibility.

And your attempt to re-troll by again pretending to believe that gravitation causes diffraction ("you can see that Gravity bends Light by simply holding your thumb between your eye and a light source and looking at the edges"), when I already debunked that, is just pitiful. Most trolls at least are able to come up with new material instead of recycling their past failures.

You're not fooling anyone here, except maybe yourself.

[Southack]

"point out where I said that the "Solar System was stationary". I didn't. I said that the *Sun* was stationary relative to the Earth's orbit (and the rest of the Solar System), and indeed it is." - Dan Day

Claiming that all you've said is that the Sun remains not actually in the same place but rather relatively in the same place might save a little face with a few uneducated lurkers, but any thinking, educated person will quickly realize that your new "point" is meaningless because we are talking about the Sun actually moving.

And contrary to your earlier claims and insinuation, the Sun (as does the rest of our Solar System) is forever moving through the universe.

The Sun does NOT sit still. Sure, it can be conceptually thought of as being a stable point around which the planets orbit, but that's only because the planets are likewise moving through the universe uniformly with the Sun.

But the Sun is in a DIFFERENT location today than it was yesterday (simply because it is traveling along with the rest of our Solar System through the universe), and the Sun of tomorrow will be in a position different than the Sun of today, and so on and on and on...

This includes the fact that the Sun is in a different position 8.3 minutes ago than when we see it, due to the fact that it takes Light 8.3 minutes to reach the Earth.

This means that the Sun which we "see" is actually the Sun 8.3 minutes ago.

And if the Solar System is moving due North toward Polaris, then the Sun that we "see" is 8.3 minutes South of the actual position of the Sun itself due to that delay in Light reaching the Earth from the Sun.

Moreover, this delay INCREASES the further out that each planet orbits the Sun.

Now, if Gravity travels at the SAME speed as Light, then the planets will not only have that same gravitational/orbital delay, but they will also orbit around their PERCIEVED Sun rather than around the actual Sun, due to the delay in Gravity.

But of course, we already know that the planets don't have such a delay/lag in their orbits; in other words, we know that Gravity travels much faster than the speed of Light because the planets do not increasingly lag South of the actual position of the Sun as their orbits increase in distance from the Sun.