Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 01/07/2003 9:38:37 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Stand Watch Listen
I wonder if the people receiving benefits have paid anything into the system. If not, this is nothing more than welfare.
2 posted on 01/07/2003 9:45:38 AM PST by AUgrad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
I am sure glad we elected a Conservative as president...
3 posted on 01/07/2003 9:47:37 AM PST by Karsus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
This has to be bull. Anyone knows it would be political selfdestruction.
5 posted on 01/07/2003 9:50:13 AM PST by dalebert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
I want to correct the notion that the individuals residing in Mexico that will receive the payments are illegal aliens. They are individuals that worked in the U.S. legally as resident aliens or with Green Cards and managed to earn enough social security credits to be eligible for benefits. My point being that these people did, in fact, pay into the system. In my opinion, if we do not intend to allow these folks to collect the benefits at some point, then I have to question the ethics of taking it out of their pay checks in the first place.

Hey...fair is fair...:-)

-Toonces
6 posted on 01/07/2003 9:59:27 AM PST by Toonces T. Cat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
This is further evidence of the stupidity of our Marxist social security system and the continued drifting toward the hell of socialism of our political system.
7 posted on 01/07/2003 10:17:17 AM PST by DWar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
I feel sick....
10 posted on 01/07/2003 11:00:18 AM PST by stainlessbanner (Barf Alert)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
Press reports quote Mexican foreign ministry official Arturo Sanikhan as saying that the proposed Social Security accord is intended "to deepen [Mexico's] relationship with the United States and improve the day-to-day lives of Mexicans."

I agree with him. It's going to allow Mexico to stick it in deeper, and when money flows, insure it flows to Mexicans, improving their day-to-day lives.

Bush apparently is not satisfied with the current parasitical relationship between illegals and Americans and wants to increase the bleeding.

We need an instant curtailment of welfare for illegals, not an increase.

23 posted on 01/07/2003 11:31:33 AM PST by jimt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
I found this at the newsgroup alt.politics.immigration. The emphasis in bold is mine.

The Great Global Social Security Giveaway?
Rep. Ron Paul, (R) Texas
01/06/2003

As we ring in the new year, dark clouds are gathering over our already dangerously fragile Social Security system. In December, the press reported on a looming deal between the Administration and the government of Mexico which would make hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits.

The centerpiece of the agreement would be a so-called "totalization," which would mean that even if a Mexican citizen did not work in the United States long enough to qualify for Social Security, the number of years worked in Mexico would be added to bring up the total and thus make the Mexican worker eligible for cash transfers from the United States.

Worse still, thousands of foreigners who would qualify for U.S. Social Security benefits actually came to the United States and worked here illegally.

Under "totalization," a foreigner [Mexcan] who came to the United States illegally could work fewer than the required number of years, return to Mexico for the rest of his working years, and collect full U.S. Social Security benefits while living in Mexico.

That is an insult to the millions of Americans who pay their entire working lives into the system and now face the possibility that there may be nothing left when it is their turn to retire.

The proposed agreement is nothing more than a financial reward to those who have willingly and knowingly violated our own immigration laws. Talk about an incentive for illegal immigration! How many more would break the law to come to this country if promised U.S. government paychecks for life? Is creating a global welfare state on the back of the American taxpayer a good idea?

The program also establishes a very disturbing precedent of U.S. foreign aid to individual citizens rather than to states.

Estimates of what this deal with the Mexican government would cost top one billion dollars per year. As the system braces for a steep increase in those who will be drawing from the Social Security trust fund, it makes no sense to expand it into a global welfare system.

Social Security was designed to provide support for retired American citizens who worked in the United States. We should be shoring up the system for those Americans who have paid in for decades, not expanding it to cover foreigners who have not.

Supporters of the Social Security to Mexico deal may attempt to downplay the effect the agreement would have on the system, but actions speak louder than words:

According to several press reports, the State Department and the Social Security Administration are already negotiating to build a new building in Mexico City to handle the expected rush of applicants for this new program!
It is uncertain whether the Administration will seek Congressional approval for this agreement. Let's hope that such a substantive move -- with such serious financial and legal implications -- will not be made by Executive Order.

In the 107th Congress, I introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219), which would ensure that all money in the Social Security trust fund is spent solely on Social Security. As Congress continues to demonstrate an inability to control spending that threatens the Social Security trust fund, the need for this legislation has never been greater. That is why I intend to re-introduce this legislation in the 108th Congress, which opens this month. Social Security should be limited to United States citizens and nationals who have paid into the system. It should not be a global giveaway.

38 posted on 01/07/2003 12:12:46 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
The real problem here is that SS is a Ponzi scheme

and will ultimately bankrupt OUR country.


39 posted on 01/07/2003 12:21:49 PM PST by WhiteGuy (Buckeyes and Niners Fan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen; sinkspur; Miss Marple; Howlin; Texasforever
K whats the excuse this time( seriously any rational reason would be comforting).
42 posted on 01/07/2003 2:07:40 PM PST by weikel (Swedish Bikini Inspector)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Stand Watch Listen
BTTT

More limited government by Bush. His compassion has no end.

Food Stamps For Everybody

Limited Government

44 posted on 01/07/2003 2:23:13 PM PST by Uncle Bill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson