Indiana Bill would ban most guns and ammunition (possession a felony!)

Indiana legislative website ^ | 01/07/2003 | Representative V. Smith

[Atlas Sneezed]

HOUSE BILL No. 1011

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    A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning criminal law and procedure.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana:

SOURCE: IC 35-47-1-2.5; (03)IN1011.1.1. -->     SECTION 1. IC 35-47-1-2.5 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2003]: Sec. 2.5. "Automatic weapon" or "semiautomatic weapon" means a weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot automatically more than one (1) shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

SOURCE: IC 35-47-5-8; (03)IN1011.1.2. -->     SECTION 2. IC 35-47-5-8 AS AMENDED BY P.L.123-2002, SECTION 43, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2003]: Sec. 8. A person who owns or possesses knowingly or intentionally:
         (1) manufactures;
        (2) imports into Indiana;
        (3) sells;
        (4) purchases;
        (5) possesses; or
        (6) transfers possession of;
a machine gun, an automatic weapon, a semiautomatic weapon, or

ammunition for any of those weapons commits a Class C felony.

SOURCE: IC 35-50-2-13; (03)IN1011.1.3. -->     SECTION 3. IC 35-50-2-13 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2003]: Sec. 13. (a) The state may seek, on a page separate from the rest of a charging instrument, to have a person who allegedly committed an offense of dealing in a controlled substance under IC 35-48-4-1 through IC 35-48-4-4 sentenced to an additional fixed term of imprisonment if the state can show beyond a reasonable doubt that the person knowingly or intentionally:
        (1) used a firearm; or
        (2) possessed: a:
            (A) a handgun in violation of IC 35-47-2-1 ;
            (B) a sawed-off shotgun in violation of IC 35-47-5-4.1 ; or
            (C) a machine gun, an automatic weapon, or a semiautomatic weapon in violation of IC 35-47-5-8 ;
while committing the offense.
    (b) If after a sentencing hearing a court finds that a person committed an offense as described in subsection (a), the court may sentence the person to an additional fixed term of imprisonment of not more than five (5) years, except as follows:
        (1) If the firearm is a sawed-off shotgun, the court may sentence the person to an additional fixed term of imprisonment of not more than ten (10) years.
        (2) If the firearm is a machine gun or is equipped with a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, the court may sentence the person to an additional fixed term of imprisonment of not more than twenty (20) years. The additional sentence under this subdivision is in addition to any additional sentence imposed under section 11 of this chapter for use of a firearm in the commission of an offense.

SOURCE: ; (03)IN1011.1.4. -->     SECTION 4. [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2003] IC 35-47-5-8 , as amended by this act, applies to offenses committed after June 30, 2003.

[Travis McGee]

This particular bill won't pass as written, but it shows the steady movement of anti 2nd amendment tectonic plate in American society.

When the two plates finally rupture, the social earthquake is going to come as a big shock to the antis.

[Travis McGee]

My almost finished novel "Enemies Foreign And Domestic", which begins with a sniper massacre in a packed football stadium, leading to the outright banning of all semi-auto rifles, leading to a dirty civil war of assassinations and illegal detantions.

[Jeff Head]

Yes it is. Sadly, they either don't believe, or can't concieve of it being that way either.

Your words HERE lay it out pretty well IMHO.

Won't be the first time ... probably will not be the last.

[Travis McGee]

I used to think of this struggle like it was a football game: which yardline is the 2nd amendment ball on? Who will score first?

Now I see it more like tectonic plate theory. The two halves of the nation continue to move in opposite directions right next to each other. 32 states have passed CCW laws, yet in CA, MD, NY, NY etc the restrictions grow vastly tighter.

I just wonder what will trigger the rupture between the two plates. The reason I chose a stadium massacre in the book is that it allows me to "fast forward" the struggle, to jump it ahead a decade in one week. But even with no outrageous trigger event, the rupture will still come, it will just take longer to arrive.

[Jeff Head]

Yes, sort of like the heating up of those beams in the towers that we spoke of last year after the horrific 911 events. Socially, culturally, ideologically ... our nation is "heating" up slowly like that. The pillars holding it together (and the 2nd amendment is one of them) are slowly being weakened. There are enemies who know this and are hastening it IMHO.

I believe that only a watershed event (and 911 had the opportunity) that fosters an almost miraculous "rivial" like spirit that sweeps the country ... awakening morality, faith and common sense ... can keep it from happening.

[Protagoras]

Who is Indiana Bill? Is that like Joe Montana? Or Pecos Pete?

[Joe Brower]

As others have already posted on this thread, I just don't see this flying in Indiana; it will die in committee.

One thing is very plain from this, though: These God-damned sociocrats just can't keep their hands off of people's guns. It's in their blood or something. Anyone who believes otherwise is simply fooling themselves, as this unmistakably proves.

[Joe Brower]

Interesting and well-stated analogy. I concur 100%, Jeff.

[Travis McGee]

Coming events could very easily bind us together as a nation, or tear us apart. There is no way to tell at this point, but sometimes I feel like a beach comber watching a tsunami approach.

[Travis McGee]

That WTC steel beam analogy really is brilliant! It looks incredibly powerful up until the moment the entire structure pancakes into rubble.I hope that's not going to be the fate of the USA.

Something as simple as 100# of anthrax could be the "boxcutter" which leverages the fall.

[Jeff Head]

Let me clarify.

I honestly believe it is almost too late to avoid a coming conflagaration of some type. The physical pillars have been subjected to too much heat and stress for too long and are very weak outwardly. See my essay:

The Crisis and Mortal Threat to American Liberty. [Perhpas I should post it again]

But, I believe that if the miraculous "revival" occurs and the people return to the roots of morality, patriotism, common sense and faith that made this nation great ... we will emerge from whatever crisis victorious with our constitution and way of life intact. This is because the inner pillars, the spiritual, moral basis is of such a nature that if strengthened, they can carry us through a rupture or even a fall of the outward, more mphysical ones.

[Zebra]

He is a Democratic member of the Indiana House of Representatives from Gary, the Murder Capital of America. He is member of the "guns kill people" club. The killers are going to be scared straight by that Class C Felony rap associated with having the gun they murdered with. Geeezzz............

[Zebra]

Zero chance of passage. I agree with the rest of your post, though.

[fightu4it]

This is exactly what we get for allowing that grinning bastard O'Bannon and his Demoncratic ilk to run our state. First they annihilated the budget surplus, then they raised taxes, and now they're attempting a gun ban.

This is nothing more than the Democrats attempt at taking your eye off the ball. You had it exactly right when you said O'Bannon and crew has wrecked (more likely pilfered) the state' treasury.

What better way to keep you rednecks from calling for an audit than to get you stirred up on the 2nd amendment. BTW I'm a Hoosier.

[PatrioticAmerican]

This will never pass.

[TigersEye]

Do you agree that this likely will die in committee, given the demographics of IN outside of rust-belt "Geeeruh?"

I have no particular insights into Indiana politics or demographics but yes I would agree. However most outrageous bills like this come up and die then come and die again until the right set of circumstances comes along and they get it passed. I no longer take any anti-gun legislation lightly no matter how overboard it sounds.

[Ches]

Could you please add me to the "bang" list?

Thanks!

[TigersEye]

This is nothing more than the Democrats attempt at taking your eye off the ball. ... What better way to keep you rednecks from calling for an audit than to get you stirred up on the 2nd amendment. BTW I'm a Hoosier.

That is a very good take on DemoRat strategy. Another way they can use this to advantage is when it dies in committee or is defeated on the floor, either one, they will demagogue it as Republican 'obstructionism' in order to placate their base. They can sound outraged about it making it seem like 'they tried to do something' but 'the gun nuts and Republicans stopped us' which will help keep the slaves on the plantation. Or so they hope.

[TigersEye]

The "bang_list" is not a ping list that bumps people to a thread. It is a topic list which threads are added to so that people interested in a particular subject can check the list to see what has been posted about it. Each thread is added by a FReeper by putting *bang_list, for example, in the "to:" line of their post.

Here is the page with all topic lists. There are many. Each has its own name such as Homeschool_list. If you were on a thread that you thought would be of interest to homeschoolers you would add to the "to:" line *Homeschool_list and the thread would be added to that list. The easiest way to keep track of the list at the link I gave you above, as far as I know, is to bookmark it in your own favorites or bookmarks folder.

Happy FReeping, TigersEye

[Ches]

Thanks TigersEye! Found and bookmarked.

Ches