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Newspaper Publishes Names and Addresses of CCW Holders
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Posted on 01/05/2003 6:38:23 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely

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To: The FRugitive
I do.
61 posted on 01/05/2003 9:14:39 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Hey, at least you folks in Virginia can GET concealed carry permits! We poor benighted souls in Maryland are helpless before the criminal element. You guys actually get to carry your guns around in public unconcealed and you'll be within the law. I'm moving to rural Virginia as soon as I can figure out a way to earn a living there.
62 posted on 01/05/2003 9:17:08 PM PST by Capriole
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To: Mortimer Snavely
What a bunch of creeps. A totally unnecessary invasion of privacy.
63 posted on 01/05/2003 9:18:53 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Actually, the CCW holders are quite safe. Crooks are smarter than you might think. The homes of CCW holders will be avoided at all costs as the crooks do not want to stand before the final judge (God) the instant the CCW holder hears or sees the bums.
64 posted on 01/05/2003 9:32:55 PM PST by SandRat
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To: xm177e2
I wonder if anyone at the newspaper has a CCW permit. If they did, it would probably NOT appear on the website (they would have removed it). Could a CCW activist from VA go to the same public records, and search for the names of everyone who works at that paper? Maybe they will get lucky. 51 posted on 01/05/2003 7:45 PM PST by xm177e2 [

DITTO ! Good thinking!!

65 posted on 01/05/2003 9:36:39 PM PST by timestax
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Actually, the CCW holders are quite safe. Crooks are smarter than you might think. The homes of CCW holders will be avoided at all costs as the crooks do not want to stand before the final judge (God) the instant the CCW holder hears or sees the bums.
66 posted on 01/05/2003 9:38:13 PM PST by SandRat
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To: ASA Vet
" "I'm a member of the N.R.A., my neighbor is a member of P.E.T.A."

Either of them. The NRA won't do anything to protect your gun ownership rights, they'll just talk about doing it.
67 posted on 01/05/2003 9:48:55 PM PST by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: steplock
"...reply to ALL their advertisers..."

First good idea I've seen on this thread. Organize a boycott of those advertisers and you could drive that newspaper into oblivion. It would serve them right.

68 posted on 01/05/2003 11:09:37 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
What a bunch of creeps. A totally unnecessary invasion of privacy.
Precisely.

Fulfilling the legal requirement to register to carry a concealed weapon does NOT give the newspaper permission to print PRIVATE personal information of gun owners any more than they could freely print the PRIVATE personal information of vehicle owners.

See, for example, from http://www.motorists.org/ericpeters/archive/privacy.html:

Op-Ed: A Victory for Privacy
By Eric Peters
2/7/00
For once, Big Brother won't be watching you -- or releasing information about you to private, for-profit companies so they can harass you with dinner-time telephone solicitations. Or making it possible for psychotics to track down your home address through DMV records.

Last week, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the dissemination of such information can be barred and that such prohibitions do not encroach upon state authority because of the infringement on personal privacy it represents.

You may not have known it, but state departments of motor vehicles in many states have for years routinely sold -- yes, sold -- information about you to telemarketing companies, among others. Millions of dollars in revenue have been generated in this fashion. State motor vehicle agencies have also been giving out this information for free (or for a small processing charge) to pretty much anyone who asks for it -- crooks and nutcases included.

Your name, address, telephone and Social Security numbers are all in the DMV computer. You had to provide them when you applied for a driver's license. And marketing companies are keenly interested in the data. It helps them find you, helps then nail down your likely income level (via your address; they can figure out how much your home is worth and thus how much cake you take home), and, most important of all, gives them the golden key to your ear -- a home telephone number.

They are quite willing to pay for this intelligence. And state motor vehicle departments have been eager to provide it.

Before you can say "Good evening, is this Mr. Smith?" an annoying call has interrupted your supper or made you get up from the sofa just when you were beginning to get comfortable.

But it gets worse. Fraud artists have discovered a veritable gold mine in those DMV computers. Information about you, such as your date of birth, address, Social Security number, etc. can be used to generate fake identities -- based on yours. Crooks can set up bank accounts, obtain credit cards, go on a shopping spree -- all in your name, naturally. The bills, of course, are credited to the "real" you -- until you manage to convince the merchants and credit reporting agencies that you're an innocent victim of fraud.

But worst of all, violent criminals can find out where you live -- simply by filing out a short form and cross-referencing your license plate number with DMV records. Actress Rebecca Shaeffer found about this the hard way. She was murdered by a stalker who got her home address via the DMV.

Congress responded to the Schaeffer murder by passing the Driver's Privacy Protection Act in 1994; the DPPA bars states from disclosing personal information without the formal consent of the driver...
CLICK HERE for more

69 posted on 01/05/2003 11:27:38 PM PST by RonDog
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To: Drango; TheBattman; Mulder; Mortimer Snavely; Timesink; Clay Moore; xm177e2
For educational purposes only

A search on the names of the Publisher & Associate Publisher reveals the following. These may or may not be the same persons listed as the Publisher & Associate Publisher.

Josiah P Rowe
610 Lewis St
Fredericksburg, VA 22401
540-373-2321

Nicholas Cadwallender
615 Fauquier St
Fredericksburg, VA 22401
540-373-7210

70 posted on 01/06/2003 12:11:21 AM PST by dware
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To: sam_paine
"I had seriously considered getting a CCW permit till I saw this. Now I doubt I ever will."

Please reconsider your position. Maybe better to be on the inside of the system than out when the S*** hits the fan. Better to be armed and prepared! Heck, I'd put signs on the lawn stating "armed homeowner, prowlers beware!
71 posted on 01/06/2003 1:01:11 AM PST by NYTexan
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To: ASA Vet
"I'm a member of the N.R.A., my neighbor is a member of P.E.T.A.

Which house do you think it's safe to break into"?


Nomination for Quote of the day, week, & month!
72 posted on 01/06/2003 1:03:43 AM PST by NYTexan
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
It isn't Mr. Heston that'll be shooting house breakers, It'll be me.
I'm also a life member of GOA, and of MCRGO.
I don't expect any of them to guard my home.
73 posted on 01/06/2003 4:43:08 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: NYTexan
Maybe better to be on the inside of the system than out when the S*** hits the fan. Better to be armed and prepared!

But of course!!! I'm VERY well armed and prepared...I just don't have a CCW license (which means, of course, I am on the "Evil Gun Purchasers List." But hey, I was born too late, and I didn't inherit enough guns to qualify as a "hoarder" so I had to buy some legally. I'm on the inside of the system, just so.

74 posted on 01/06/2003 5:52:18 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Just one more reason to carry WITHOUT a permit.

OTOH, a point could be made that the newspaper is telling burglars which homes to avoid...
75 posted on 01/06/2003 6:45:40 AM PST by Redbob
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To: ELS
HI ELS, long time no see! i miss your smile!

can you say "violation of privacy children? sure you can!"

free dixie,sw

76 posted on 01/06/2003 7:53:40 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Shooter 2.5
That is if we get enough people, people who don't mind being on lists, to back it and vote for it.

It's a lot more entertaining to accuse CCW supporters of selling out.

It's not perfect, but it beats the alternative of keeping CCW a felony.

S.O.S - Be sure and try the "natural rights" argument on the next Judge or JOP you meet after getting picked up for illegally packing, and see how much sympathy you get.

Soccer moms outnumber no limits pro-2a advocates by about 4 million to one in this country, and until you change a lot of minds, your "natural right" to self defense will get you nowhere but arrested.

77 posted on 01/06/2003 8:13:43 AM PST by xsrdx
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To: TheBattman
Publisher
Josiah Rowe
374-5451

Josiah P. Rowe III
610 Lewis St.
Fredricksburg, VA 22401

540-373-2321

78 posted on 01/06/2003 8:22:04 AM PST by archy
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To: sam_paine
"Uproar from anyone is foolish. Anytime you "register" something with the government, you should expect it to be a "public" record, since the government is "public."

Yeppers but if I were one of the CCW holders I would Organize and take out an ad saying yep we got guns and legal right to carry! Assume we will use them and all you criminals assume anyone who isn't on the list including the folks at the TV and Newspapaers aren't carrying guns!

Have a nice day!

79 posted on 01/06/2003 8:23:38 AM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: xsrdx
Punching holes in the lifeboat because there isn't any ballroom dancing.

I guess these people give me an look into their thinking. Twenty years ago, it was popular for states to consider banning handguns. Now that so many states have CCW licenses, the only area that I'm aware of that still mentions that is Chicago. The CCW issue has destroyed HCI's arguments on handguns.
I still want the Texas State Rifle Association to start dismantling the prices and requirements for the license. I may take a while but we have the dems out of office so it may not be impossible.

Baby steps in the right direction. That's how they did it to us and that's how we're going to do it to them. [If we don't get a USSC ruling]
80 posted on 01/06/2003 8:33:45 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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