I'm, also, not trying to put an 'asterisk' on OHU's National Championship. They most definately deserved to win that game.
Furthermore, from the get go on this thread, I made the statement that you must simply accept that you have to take the good calls with the bad calls and the 'no' calls in Football. That's simply the way it is.
But I tend to be a stickler on the details.
So, don't interpret my continued insistance that this was a bad call as a desire to claim OSU is an illegitimate National Champion. They are not.
As an example, you will remember in the Michigan/OSU game a couple of months ago, that M's touchdown was waved off due to offensive pass interference. The replay clearly showed Gamble, I think it was, tripped on his own. There was NO pass interference. It was a bad call. It could have certainly cost Michigan the game in which case this conversation would never have happened. Nonetheless, OSU truly did win that game.
"As I argued earlier, holding is part-n-parcel of pass interference."
Yes, a receiver can be held and it would be Pass Interference. This would only be the call if the ball was in the air while the pass receiver was being "held".
Now, I'd love to see the play again, but I'm finding very few people are still showing the play. I'm certainly open to seeing if the OSU receiver was held while the ball was in the air. If so, case closed -maybe (see next post).
However, the actual penalty of "Defensive Holding" of the receiver is a different call with different standards. If the defensive player "holds" the receiver before the ball is thrown, then it is NOT "pass interference", but "defensive holding". Not that there would have been any effective difference if this were the penalty, but... For some reason, many on this thread have simply cismissed "the commentators" "opinion" that there was no Pass Interference.Hall of Fame Quarterback Dan Fout's comments are certainly something to take into consideration.
He knows of what he speaks. And he is correct about one thing. There was NO CONTACT at the moment the receiver was about to catch the ball. Yes, it initially "looked" like the Miami defender was "all over him", but the replay clearly showed he didn't touch him at this point.
Again, I'm open to looking at the replay to see if the defender had made interfering contact while the ball was in the air (that is the key). I know there was NO CONTACT as the ball was in it the latter part of its journey to the receiver, but was there contact at the time the QB released the ball and shortly thereafter? I'd have to see the replay.
"And it occured well after the 5 yd buffer..."
I learned something from a couple of my friends who are former NCAA Div 1 players.
In College football, there is no 5 yard buffer zone. You can jam the guy all you want if the ball is not in the air. Even if you're 50 yards down field and the QB hasn't thrown the ball, you can stuff him. When the ball is in the air, you can't 'stuff' him anymore.
You cannot, however, "hold" him during this time. Again, I'd be open to looking at the replay to see if there was "holding" before the ball was in the air.
But, that was NOT the penalty that was called. That would be a "defensive holding" penalty.
Jean
No shi-ite sherlock. It's apparent from the completely overdone 2 posts, each of more than 500 words (guess-timate, in case you want to be a stickler again). :op
I could care less at this point, especially since I despise OSU as much as a Georgia fan despises an Alabama fan. Big-10 or not.
Apparently I was wrong on the 5-yd buffer, and I accept my mistake. However, the Miami player was all over the OSU player from scrimmage until just before the ball arrived, as was apparent to anyone willing to watch the replays immediately following, and not only the ESPN 2-second clips during Sportscenter. I stand by my assertion.
Good day...