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OHIO STATE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS

Posted on 01/03/2003 9:20:40 PM PST by ItsBacon

Edited on 01/03/2003 9:27:16 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: B. Rabbit; jragan2001
I would love to see a game between USC and OSU though, it would be a great game.

USC's offense was limited by a quality defense in Kansas State (27-20). It could be done. I think USC vs OSU would've been a similar result as the title game last night, call it 20-17, no OT due to a missed field goal. USC vs Miami, on the other hand, would've been a 43-34 shoot-out... 27-10 at the half, and half the nation tunes out... some desperation drives at the end... not a nail-biter.

321 posted on 01/04/2003 10:12:56 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: lepton
Actually, with watching recent games, it appeared to me that Iowa matched up better against Miami, and OSU better against USC. OSU definitely would have had Gamble and Willhelm going for them. Those two don't wear out.

You're right about Gamble and Wilhelm. Those guys gutted it out all season and I like to see that kind of effort from ballplayers, win or lose.

On the matchup issue, maybe you're right, I don't know. USC got hot towards the end and would have been a tough opponent. OTOH, Miami was tough all year, as was OSU. Its hard to argue against the position that the two best teams were on the field last night with everything on the line.

Ohio State vs. Iowa? I don't know, some have argued that the Bucks were lucky not to have played the Hawks this year. Maybe so. But I might argue that it could very well be the other way around. The Bucks could have played the Hawks close and pulled it out, as they seemed to do all year. Then Iowa would have had two losses and instead of the Orange, they could have been playing in the coveted Poulan Weedeater Bowl, or some lunchtime bowl in Florida on New Year's Day. I say the Hawkeyes were lucky they didn't run into the Bucks, because a lot of teams did who thought that they would win and the Bucks were overrated, but somehow ended up leaving the field with their tail betwen their legs.

Remember, this is a team that won all their games but didn't really dominate anyone. Except for that one early season game against a weak opponent (was it Kent State, something like 55-7 score?), the Buckeyes, in general, didn't clobber their opponents, they edged them. I think this was Tressel's strategy all season. Just do what it takes to win and get yourself in a position to win it all, then play your game and let the chips fall.

It shows you that champions just find ways to win their games, whether its by making a defensive stand at your own goal line, or a player coming out of nowhere and stealing the ball from your opponent who has just made an interception. It doesn't take a dominating performance. The Giants did it that one year when they beat Buffalo by a point in the Super Bowl. They played tough defense and whether it was by a touchdown or a field goal, they came out on the winning side of the score. That's all you have to do.

322 posted on 01/04/2003 10:13:51 AM PST by chimera
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To: Teacher317
Okay, here's my update

I like the update. Marshall did have a good year a couple years back now that you mention it.

323 posted on 01/04/2003 10:18:13 AM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: Teacher317
Okay, I'm going to say it over and over until you people get it. USC did not get hot, they got BETTER, a LOT better, as the season went on. Most of the other teams only improved a little, or pretty much stayed the same, like Ohio State an Iowa, beating teams with tough defense and conservative offenses. USC, on the other hand, is in a building phase and it took a while for the guys to clue in to the program. For example, this was only Palmer's second season in a row with the same offense in the four years he played. And it took a while for Freshman Mike Williams to stop dropping balls thrown his way.

Against K State, the Trojans were without their starting tailback, who had a hamstring injury before the season started. Against Washington State, they were without All American Troy Palamalu, after already losing their best D-lineman Shaun Cody.

That being said, I think at this time USC is as good as any team in the country. They would handle Georgia with ease and Miami never really impressed me all that much this season. I think SC would also beat Ohio State, but they scare me the most because they are quicker than most Big Ten teams and very tough.

In the end this is all the lunatic rambling of biased fans, all that counts is the final scoreboard, and right now Ohio State rules the roost!

324 posted on 01/04/2003 10:43:45 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: chimera
Remember, this is a team that won all their games but didn't really dominate anyone. Except for that one early season game against a weak opponent (was it Kent State, something like 55-7 score?), the Buckeyes, in general, didn't clobber their opponents, they edged them.

Not to be hypercritical, but: 45-21 v. Texas Tech (you remember Texas Tech -- beat Texas, won their bowl game against Clemson 55-15); 25-7 v. Washington State (you know, beat USC, won the Pac-10). ;-D

325 posted on 01/04/2003 11:18:33 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
325 replies and no has said:

HOW BOUT THEM DOGS!?

"Ain't nuthin' finer in the land...
than a drunk, obnoxious Georgia fan.
Go Dogs....
Sic em....
Woof woof woof!"

326 posted on 01/04/2003 11:42:47 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: B. Rabbit
Know the difference between a hurricane fan and a puppy? A puppy quits whining when he gets older.
327 posted on 01/04/2003 11:50:40 AM PST by wordsofearnest
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To: E Rocc
Whatever game Bent Mooseburger is calling is always the worst in that regard.

Fouts was so bad last night they made fun of him at ESPN. Maybe SNL will pick up on it....

328 posted on 01/04/2003 12:11:39 PM PST by Windshark
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To: eddie willers
You boys jes' keep winning that cocktail party down there and we'll get along fine. Clearly, Georgia is another program with the Richt stuff.
329 posted on 01/04/2003 12:12:39 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
They weren't bad.

A shame they didn't play in a BCS bowl game with a good opponent, so we'll never know. FLA State was mediocre at best this year. They didn't belong in a bowl game that was played after Dec. 31.

The SEC was clearly overrated this particular year.

330 posted on 01/04/2003 12:26:12 PM PST by Windshark
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To: RedWing9
Show me the reply starting at the beginning of the play, you know, where the Miami player was holding the OSU player after the 5 yd "free-zone". Then we can talk. If you haven't figured it out already, I don't think they Miami player was 'interfering' when the ball arrived, but interference can happen ANYTIME in the recievers route.

There was no replay where they showed the Miami player holding him before the ball was thrown. Touching him perhaps, but not holding. Period. As for the 5 yard "free zone", that's an NFL rule, not NCAA.

331 posted on 01/04/2003 12:54:23 PM PST by lasereye
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To: SoCal Pubbie
And it took a while for Freshman Mike Williams to stop dropping balls thrown his way.

Yeah. For a couple of drives, Palmer to Williams were like Michael Jordan space-alien in getting the ball in there and Williams holding on to it.

332 posted on 01/04/2003 1:03:46 PM PST by lepton
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To: ItsBacon
GO BUCKEYES !!!! YEEEHAW
333 posted on 01/04/2003 1:06:30 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: PGalt
Greate Game but lots of bad calls. At least the bad calls offset one another OHIO got some bad calls on them earlier in the game...
334 posted on 01/04/2003 1:11:40 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: lepton
yeah, that's probably the one. Looked like he caught his finger on the jersey of the Miami reciever.
335 posted on 01/04/2003 2:41:12 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Yes, the Bucks played some quality teams and won those handily. They also won the close games. Champions have to win those close games. They can't be satisfied with "moral victories" or "playing them close" but still losing. That's the difference with this year's team. They played the whole game, not just a half or a quarter, and played to win. Some of Cooper's teams would get on a roll, but only for half or three quarters of the game. Then they'd lose. Tressel has taught these guys the importance of going all out for the whole game, and not being satisfied with anything less than total effort.

So, yes, they won some games by wider margins, and some by closer scores. Whatever. I'm sure the team will take those, and the championship trophy, right to the bank.

336 posted on 01/04/2003 4:21:39 PM PST by chimera
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To: Wrigley

Willis has three torn knee ligaments. He will have reconstructive knee surgery tomorrow.

The thinking in South Florida is that McGahee will return to Miami after rehab as a medical redshirt.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

337 posted on 01/04/2003 4:21:52 PM PST by section9
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To: hole_n_one
Sorry for the late reply, I had to crash...

I have yet to see a single piece of video that details what occurred during the OSU recievers route..

The second reply I saw on ABC last night showed a "from scrimmage" view of the play, tight on the reciever and defender. I'm sorry you did not see it, because you'd probably feel like I do.

338 posted on 01/04/2003 5:34:38 PM PST by RedWing9
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To: Jean Chauvin
As Dan Fouts said -you'd have a point if the call was for "holding". It wasn't. From what I saw, though, all the contact was within the first 5 yards.

As I argued earlier, holding is part-n-parcel of pass interference. And it occured well after the 5 yd buffer...

339 posted on 01/04/2003 5:36:24 PM PST by RedWing9
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To: lasereye
There was no replay where they showed the Miami player holding him before the ball was thrown.

The second reply the showed, from behind the play and concentrating on the right side, showed clearly that the two players hands were all over each other, beginning at the line of scrimmage and continuing throughout the play. Their contact never ceased.

I don't know what you were watching, but I saw it plainly.

340 posted on 01/04/2003 5:39:54 PM PST by RedWing9
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