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We killed a bunch of the enemy, didn't you see the pictures of death highway? Seen OBL lately? Seen what happened to the caves of tora bora? Sure some got away. But how many more would have gotten away if we hadn't even gotten soldiers in the country until February?

Yes we did screw up when we left him alive, but remember WHO made that happen. It's been pretty well documented on FR which party threatened to cut off all funding and supplies if we marched to Bagdhad, and that party isn't in charge any more. I don't think we have any worry that Saddam is walking away from this one.

I never once mentioned anything about the quantity of bodybags. As a matter of fact I DIRECTLY said we didn't flinch when the bodybags did start coming back. The only people that are afraid of bodybags are the hippy dipsticks that don't understand war, thankfully they're on the way OUT. 9-11 made them an endagered species.

Military force exists to protect civilians, war is fought to defend the nation. The plan that costs fewer of our civilian lives is generally the better plan.

What I am trying to point out is that not doing a good job in Afghanistan is trading a few more army bodybags now for many many more civilian ones in the future.

We didn't let the army do it's job. They wanted to do it. They had the ability but short sighted politicians wouldn't let them do their job because the politicians were more afraid of army bodybags now than civilian ones in the future.

It could have become a quagmire. I concede that point. It was a risk worth taking. Cowardice in our leadership prevented us from killing the enemy.

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Do you mean the death hwy in Iraq or one in Afg ?
We did kill a bunch of Saddam's troops and destroyed a great deal of material. It made him less of a threat to his neighbors but not to his people or to us.

After the war we stood by an watched him kill up to 100,000 of those people that we asked to saise up and overthrow him after the war. We now want them to raise up against him again.
Do you think that they are going to trust us or act favorably toward us if they do take power ? Only if they have an American bayonet in their backs.

We must to occupy and for a long time like we did Germany and Japan. We should have a 100,000 years lease on several large military bases right in the oil fields and at the ports before we let a civilian gov take over in Iraq.