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To: Slipjack
Why?

I started a company a number of years ago that would have been impossible to start without the Russian and Ukrainian engineers that worked for me. These people were, literally, rocket scientists with postgraduate degrees, some with Ph.D.s. They would have been unobtainable at any price in the U.S., and certainly unobtainable to a startup.

They are all U.S. citizens or PRs now and two of them are millionaires. Their productivity will be paying for your retirement.

Sorry, but, as an employer, you can't hold my money hostage. If the right person is in India, Romania, Brasil, or Viet Nam, then either that person comes here, or if you stop me doing that, the project goes to where the right people are. With laptops, I can fit all the capital equipment for a 10 person development and Q/A lab in my luggage - network, servers, everything.

I just did a consulting gig with a company that does their engineering in Turkey, at about 10% of the U.S. cost. Smart people are everywhere. And smart work will find them.

But believe me, the U.S. is better off if we continue to allow the elite of India, Russia, and China to come, and stay, here. Commercial software development is an elite pursuit, just like elite sports. Should we send the Russians and Latvians in the NHL home because some guy from Maine is scraping along as a minor league enforcer?
6 posted on 01/03/2003 1:37:43 PM PST by eno_
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To: eno_
Sorry, but, as an employer, you can't hold my money hostage. If the right person is in India, Romania, Brasil, or Viet Nam, then either that person comes here, or if you stop me doing that, the project goes to where the right people are.

OK, but why 195,000 instead of 65,000?

Why not allow entire software companies to "immigrate" from overseas to the US?

Why not move yourself and your company to where the "right" people are and become a citizen in India, Romania, Brasil, or Viet Nam?

Would you support a visa program to allow mass immigration for foreign business administrators to alleviate the tight talent pool of "Chief" anything?

Class Initial Stay Extension of Stay
E-1 Two (2) years Up to 2 years per extension. No maximum number of extensions, with some exceptions.
E-2 Two (2) years Up to 2 years per extension. No maximum number of extensions, with some exceptions.
H-1B1 Up to 3 years Increment of up to 3 years. Total stay limited to 6 years.
H-1B2 Up to 3 years Increment of up to 3 years. Total stay limited to 6 years, with some exceptions.
H-1C Up to 3 years Total stay limited to 3 years.
H-2A and H-2B Same as validity of labor certification, with maximum of 1 year. Same as validity of labor certification (increments of up to 1 year). Total stay limited to 3 years.
H-3 Special Education Training-up to 18 months.
Other Trainee-up to 2 years
Special Education Trainee-total stay limited to 18 months.
Other Trainee-total stay limited to 2 years.
L-1A Coming to existing office-up to 3 years.
Coming to new office-up to 1 year.
Increments of up to 2 years. Total stay limited to 7 years.
L-1B Coming to existing office-up to 3 years.
Coming to new office-up to 1 year
One increment of up to 2 years. Total stay limited to 5 years.
O-1 and O-2 Up to 3 years Increments of up to 1 year
P-1, P-2, P-3 and their support personnel Individual athlete-up to 5 years.
Athletic groups and Entertainment groups-up to 1 year.
Individual athlete-Increments of up to 5 years. Total stay limited to 10 years.
Athletic groups and entertainment groups-Increments of 1 year.
Q-1 Up to 15 months. Total stay limited to 15 months
    (Note: definition of each class of visa should display once only per chart)
R-1 and R-2 Up to 3 years Increments of up to 2 years. Total stay limited to 5 years.
All other Up to 1 year Increments of up to 1 year


 

 

7 posted on 01/03/2003 2:10:46 PM PST by optimistically_conservative
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To: eno_
You would be in the correct Zone if all of Americans were WORKING and plenty of work for others were available, but NOT NOW and NOT in the FORSEEABLE FUTURE…

Time to KICK/KEEP THEM OUT TILL THEN!!!

TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN FIRST BEFORE WE DO OTHERS!!!
15 posted on 01/04/2003 9:29:29 AM PST by Slipjack
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