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Guns: A Loaded Argument
The Heritage Foundation ^ | January 2, 2003 | Paul Rosenzweig

Posted on 01/02/2003 10:15:51 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed

The language of the Second Amendment seems straightforward: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Yet the debate rages on: Does each American citizen have the right to own firearms or not?

Last year, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit said yes. Citing historical evidence that clearly shows the Second Amendment was intended as a personal right, the Court said the Constitution guarantees to each individual American the right to keep and bear arms. The Justice Department soon adopted this interpretation.

Wrong, the Ninth Circuit recently responded. In an opinion penned by one of the same judges who declared the phrase “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional, the Court recounted different historical evidence to conclude that the Second Amendment protects only the right of the people to maintain an effective militia. In other words, the amendment doesn’t protect individual rights at all.

With the decision of the Ninth Circuit, the issue is ripe for resolution by the Supreme Court. Indeed, some observers say that the Ninth Circuit’s ruling is something of a challenge to the Court, deliberately setting up a conflict between it and the Fifth Circuit and daring the federal government to look the other way. It’s been more than 60 years since the Supreme Court last considered the question, so it may not be able to avoid resolving it much longer.

The issue isn’t so much the amount of regulation. Hardly anyone, including the vast majority of those who say the Second Amendment protects an individual right, suggests that the amendment is an absolute prohibition on all government regulation of the use and ownership of firearms. Yes, they say, the amendment doesn’t prohibit the government from making it illegal for the average citizen to own, say, a grenade launcher or an anti‑tank missile. And yes, those who own automatic weapons should register them.

No, the issue isn’t “reasonable regulation.” Everyone agrees that within some reasonable bounds, the government can and should regulate who owns which types of weapons.

What then lies behind the conflict? A question as old as civilization itself: Exactly how much power does the government have to regulate individual conduct? Our Founders’ answer to the question was plain: The Constitution comes down squarely on the side of limited government and individual liberty. Our entire Constitution resonates with the idea that “that government is best which governs least” -- and the Second Amendment is no exception.

This view was widely held at the time the Constitution was framed. One commentary on the Bill of Rights, published anonymously in the Pennsylvania Gazette in 1788, asked: “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? ... Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords … are the birthright of an American. … [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

Some of the Founders themselves made it clear that the Fifth Circuit’s position isn’t exactly a radical one. “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man,” said Thomas Jefferson in his “Commonplace Book.” Alexander Hamilton wrote in “The Federalist Papers” that no federal army could threaten our liberties as long as “a large body of citizens,” proficient in “the use of arms,” stands ready to defend them.

A due regard for this history demonstrates the error of the Ninth Circuit’s decision. Though the question may have little practical consequences, it lies at the core of the American self-conception and makes all the difference in the world. For at the center of the American heritage lies a distrust of governmental power. Just how that heritage plays out in this case may soon be decided by the Supreme Court. It should remember where we came from.

Paul Rosenzweig is a senior legal research fellow in the Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at The Heritage Foundation and an adjunct professor of law at George Mason University. Distributed nationally on the Knight-Ridder Tribune wire


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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: Beelzebubba
I don't share your fear of gradual obsolescence. The scoped deer rifle capable of 500 yard hits will still be the ultimate "tyrant eliminator", even if it's a "mere" bolt action.

Ultimately even a pistol may be used to pick up the latest weapon from a tyrant's soldier who has no more need of it.

22 posted on 01/03/2003 8:09:35 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: NJ Mountain Goat
"This means that your .380 Astra is probably not protected, but your AR-15 is."

If this was used for military purposes in WWII:

Then your .380 should be.

Imagine a soldier who has just escaped from a prison camp behind enemy lines. Would a loaded .380 pistol he finds be of any military utility to him, or would be just pass it by, hoping for a real military gun to fall into his hands?

All functional weapons have military utility.

23 posted on 01/03/2003 8:31:26 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: NJ Mountain Goat
I don't suppose you remember that the Brady Bill was initially billed as a fifteen day waiting period. The NRA was able to bring it down to the instant check we have today. If all the gun owners belonged to some sort of gun group, we wouldn't have the trouble we have today.

The GOA is doing it's best to destroy the NRA and it also attacked the Alan Gottlieb group. Here's the Reply: http://www.saf.org/Prattresponse.htm

I'll be more impressed with the GOA if they did something other than attack the other gun groups. They're doing Sarah Brady's job.

If the GOA wants to prove they are a "No Compromise" group, they should sue the State of Kansas for a CCW law. They aren't doing that. They're on the outside looking in with the lawsuits in Ohio.
24 posted on 01/03/2003 8:35:36 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: boris
I can't post to that linked thread because it is too old, so I will respond to something on it---here.

"Also, the letter "f" was at times used in place of the letter "s" in both print and manuscript. For example, "Congress" is sometimes spelled as "Congrefs," as is the case in the parchment copy of the Bill of Rights displayed by the National Archives"

Not true. What is seen as an f shaped character is indeed the letter s. It is not an f.

I found this out one day while touring Williamsburg, I was in the printer's shop. I asked about the f. The interpreter told me in 18th century style that I must be an illiterate, and assured me that it was the letter s. I was rather offended at his rude response. But then I allowed he may have been interpreting the correct reaction to such a question had it been asked in the 18th century.
25 posted on 01/03/2003 8:39:01 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: FreeTally
That's my point about the Ohio lawsuit. The Second Amendment Foundation started the lawsuit with three Ohio residents and the NRA is doing the negotiations.

If the GOA wants to prove they're a "No Compromise" gun group, why don't they sue the State of Kansas for the same thing. It would at least prove they do something other than put out e mail alerts?
If they have so much time on their hands they have to bitch about thirty year old failures, they can spend some of that time showing the other gun groups what they can do.
26 posted on 01/03/2003 8:43:51 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
The absolute worst thing that could occur to the NRA is for this to go to the SCOTUS and have the 2nd Amendment found to give individual citizens the right to be allowed to keep firearms in their homes without government oversight. Result.......No more need for a NRA to pretend to fight for our rights. Immediate dissolution of this highly praised organization.

Sorry, but when I hire a fighter, I want him to fight for what I believe in, even if it means he loses his job when the battle is won. I do not see this strength in the NRA.

27 posted on 01/03/2003 8:44:21 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: A tall man in a cowboy hat
Everyone agrees that within some reasonable bounds, the government can and should regulate who owns which types of weapons. "

Oh they do? Do they? Why wasn't I told I feel that way? Wait a minute I DON'T!!

Well hold on a minute; maybe the author is on to something. I think its within "reasonable bounds" to restrict any politician who proposes a law to restrict someone else from owning a gun, from owning a gun himself/herself!

28 posted on 01/03/2003 8:50:21 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: boris
"BTW, I commend to your attention The Unabridged Second Amendment"

Thanks a million Boris. That's the article I had in mind (what little is left of it).

29 posted on 01/03/2003 9:01:01 AM PST by Wurlitzer
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To: B4Ranch
That is the most ignorant, stupidest thing I have read on FR in a long time.

With no gun control to worry about, the NRA members can go back to the gun ranges. We can also use that money we've been sending to Washington for more shooting time. There could be more Whittington Centers.

No other group does it better than the NRA. If there was, they would be in Kansas right now instead of on the heels of the NRA in Ohio.

30 posted on 01/03/2003 9:07:19 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Travis McGee
Ultimately even a pistol may be used to pick up the latest weapon from a tyrant's soldier who has no more need of it.

Rocks will also work. Example: beautiful young lady, attired to attract attention, walks up to a soldier whose attention is, shall we say, attracted. While this is going on, 1 or more not-so-attractive men sneak up behind the soldier and cave in his skull. Since the soldier has no further use for the weapon(s), ammo and uniform he had (and, of course, to avoid leaving environmentally unfriendly materials laying about), these are taken. Repeat as necessary.

32 posted on 01/03/2003 10:07:17 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
Repeat, or move up to the "wear found uniform to the armory" stage.
33 posted on 01/03/2003 10:44:21 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Beelzebubba
The author's right, of course.

But don't expect "right" to have much sway with the anti-Constitutionalists either on the 9th Circuit or anywhere else!

34 posted on 01/03/2003 10:49:24 AM PST by Gritty
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To: Beelzebubba
From the article: "The issue isn’t so much the amount of regulation. Hardly anyone, including the vast majority of those who say the Second Amendment protects an individual right, suggests that the amendment is an absolute prohibition on all government regulation of the use and ownership of firearms. Yes, they say, the amendment doesn’t prohibit the government from making it illegal for the average citizen to own, say, a grenade launcher or an anti-tank missile. And yes, those who own automatic weapons should register them."
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What hogwash.

The Second Amendment says "arms". Not "firearms". Not "guns". But "arms". "Every terrible instrument of war" as described by a commentator of the time.

If the Founders had wished to protect only muskets and rifles, they had the words available to do so.

The fact that they did not anticipate nuclear weapons or anthrax is justification for use of the amendment process. It is not justification to see a power of infringement which our Founders sought to prohibit.

35 posted on 01/03/2003 11:04:15 AM PST by William Tell
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To: Beelzebubba; All
Check out this thread on how England's draconian gun control laws have failed.
36 posted on 01/03/2003 11:53:49 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Jason_b
Not true. What is seen as an f shaped character is indeed the letter s. It is not an f.

Indeed, except in L'Enfant Plaza (DC) where whoever did the carving was either unaware of the distinction or too lazy to come up with a proper "script s" character.

The "script s" character is shorter than an "f", does not have a full crossbar (or any crossbar), and is used in place of the "s" except at the ends of words, where the smaller "s" is used.

37 posted on 01/03/2003 4:15:39 PM PST by supercat
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To: Beelzebubba
All functional weapons have military utility.

Perhaps, though the Second Amendment was not intended to protect any and all artifacts which might conceivably be used as weapons. If it were, the government would be unable to restrict anything.

For example, a bottle of alcohol, with a rag stuck in the end, can make a reasonably effective incendiary weapon. Does that mean efforts to tax alcohol or restrict its production are unconstitutional?

38 posted on 01/03/2003 4:18:06 PM PST by supercat
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To: supercat
"For example, a bottle of alcohol, with a rag stuck in the end, can make a reasonably effective incendiary weapon. Does that mean efforts to tax alcohol or restrict its production are unconstitutional?"

I like the way you think!
39 posted on 01/03/2003 4:40:34 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Shooter 2.5
Remember SB 167? Trigger Locks

No other gun group does it better than the NRA. Supports gun control!

Go on talk about Eddie the Eagle etc., I won't be reading it.

40 posted on 01/03/2003 6:23:14 PM PST by B4Ranch
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