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Posted on 01/02/2003 11:59:45 AM PST by toothless

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1 posted on 01/02/2003 11:59:45 AM PST by toothless
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To: toothless
"Officer James Toomey didn't waste any bullets when he killed Bug Finley."

He should have had one of these...


2 posted on 01/02/2003 12:11:24 PM PST by Jaxter
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To: toothless
In spite of all theweeping it sounds to me like the "BUG" got swatted.
3 posted on 01/02/2003 12:23:09 PM PST by YOMO
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To: toothless
"What would happen if I had shot someone like that?" he asks. "I'd be sitting in jail right now. But a cop, he walks away."

Regardless of what really happened, this is a true statement.

4 posted on 01/02/2003 12:27:01 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: toothless
In the weeks before the shooting, according to two neighbors, Toomey mowed his lawn in full uniform, gun belt and all.

If this is true(and who knows if it is), then this Toomey guy seems just a little odd.

5 posted on 01/02/2003 12:29:49 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: toothless
This moron figured that breaking into the house in the middle of the night was the best way to gain the officer's protection? Yea, right. If he could outrun a bunch of thugs, he wasn't THAT drunk.
6 posted on 01/02/2003 12:32:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: toothless
Both sides of the story could well be true. If the Bug had been chased into an oncoming car, he would be dead and they would be investigating the driver. From Toomey's point of view, an alcohol numbed robber breaking into his home in the dark didn't respond to a cop's warning and took a lot of shots to go down. Without more info than Toomey mowing the lawn in uniform, or some more info on the Robinson dawgs, there isn't much else to be done than accept Toomey's version.
7 posted on 01/02/2003 12:41:07 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: toothless
If someone comes on my property in the middle of the night and hits me with a pole, he will be receiving as many rounds as I can distribute.

But I do wonder whether a private citizen would have been in custody for defending his home in like manner.

8 posted on 01/02/2003 12:41:21 PM PST by wideawake
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To: FreeTally
Hmmm- I wear my pistol (concealed, though) when doing yardwork. That's because I have several jailbirds who have made credible threats to kill me. Perhaps this officer has had a few threats, you think?

Save your opinions about what is "odd" unless you know something about the situation- which you don't (that seems to be the rule on these online forums- the less you know, the more certain you are of what is right, wrong, or "odd").

9 posted on 01/02/2003 12:41:22 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: FreeTally
"What would happen if I had shot someone like that?" he asks. "I'd be sitting in jail right now. But a cop, he walks away."

Regardless of what really happened, this is a true statement.

How do you figure? Someone hits you with a metal pole, in the dark of night, on your property. You respond with deadly force (in fear of your life) and go to jail?

Maybe in California or Massachusetts, but not in any free states.

10 posted on 01/02/2003 12:42:27 PM PST by TexRef
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"He was just a regular guy."

A regular guy? Regardless of what happened that summer night, I would hardly describe this kid as a regular guy.

11 posted on 01/02/2003 12:47:16 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Besides three bullets in the back, Finley took two in the chest. Eight struck his arms and legs, another grazed his mouth. "How much could he have been moving after three or four shots, let alone 14?" asks Dianna Albertson, a family friend.
12 posted on 01/02/2003 12:50:57 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: toothless
Two lines in the story got my attention:

1)

The following years brought typical city kid troubles -- scuffles and a scrape with the law. Walking home from a party one night, he got stabbed in the gut. In December 2000 -- five months before Robinson's slaying -- cops busted him for possession of crack.
What part of this (other than the "scuffles") was typical city kid troubles, A scrape with the law is typical? Getting stabbed in the gut is typical? Getting busted for crack is typical? That line is nonsense.

Then there's 2)

"... . He could just shoot him in the knee or the shoulder and he'd still be alive."
This is, to me, a display of ignorance of what it's like to be facing what looks like a deadly assault at 2 AM. Once you start shooting, you shoot until the threat is gone -- and when you're under assault, you're judgment is not the most subtle.

Police aren't necesarily sharp shooters. It doesn't take a significant amount of time for somebody armed with a pole to close a 7 yard gap and take out your shooting hand and your gun. And at seven yards or even closer, a 9mm isn't necessarily going to bring your assailant to an immediate halt.

While I HOPE if were ever in such a situation, I'd disable rather than kill my assailaint -- and that I'd stop shooting when he was down, I don't think anyone can guarantee how he'd react faced with a drunken assailant carrying a metal pole at 2 AM or thereabouts.

People see Clint Eastwood shooting a rope with a rifle and figure a policeman with a 9mm ought to be able to pop a shot in the knee or shoulder of a moving assailant AND that that ought to stop him. It just ain't so.

13 posted on 01/02/2003 12:52:00 PM PST by Mad Dawg
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To: FreeTally
"The jury did not prove to me, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murdering his ex-wife and her lover."

A quote from your homepage. Let me try to educate you- apparently Florida has a completely different legal system than the rest of the couintry. The "JURY" does not "prove" anything- that is the job of the State, represented by the Prosecutor. Also, just why is it important that ANYONE prove ANYTHING about this case to you- were you on the jury? Seems unlikely- although you could probably have qualified on voir dire (they were looking for really dim bulbs).

I don't want to seem to be piling on, but you seem to have made an assumption that Ron Goldman was romantically involved. I watched the entire trial, and that allegation was never substantiated. Do you just jump to conclusions, or do you get your legal advice from the WEEKLY WORLD NEWS???

Posters like you are causing me to drop Free Republic- I'm sick and tired of stupid articles being posted, and the often sub-moronic reponses.

14 posted on 01/02/2003 12:52:07 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: Sir Gawain
Sounds like pretty good shooting- hit the scumbag with all 14 rounds!
15 posted on 01/02/2003 12:55:16 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Why in the hell would you bring up OJ Simpson on a thread like this. If you have a problem with something from my profile, freepmail me or keep it to yourself.

Posters like you are causing me to drop Free Republic- I'm sick and tired of stupid articles being posted, and the often sub-moronic reponses.

Funny that you did not address my comment, but something on my profile.

16 posted on 01/02/2003 12:57:13 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: toothless
Hours later, a night of drinking behind him, Bug began walking west on Almira around 1:30 a.m. His aunt's house stood about a half-mile away. Somewhere on his route -- probably near West 100th -- the Robinson crew confronted him.
He took off, running about 10 blocks south on 100th toward Walford. Along the way, he grabbed a yellow metal pole. Searching for a place to hide, he tried to force open doors and windows of a half-dozen homes. Frantic and unable to gain entry, he staggered a block over to West Boulevard -- and into James Toomey's yard.

Let's see. I'm drunk, scared, and running for my life from this gang that's probably going to kill me. They "confronted" me, so how much distance is really between me and them?

50 feet?
100 feet?
100 yards?

And I can't let them catch me, because they WILL kill me. But somehow, I have time to pick up this yellow pole and try to break into 6 random houses along the way to hide from this gang that's right on my tail without them catching up to me.

Oh yeah, that's believable.

17 posted on 01/02/2003 12:57:53 PM PST by Cable225
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To: FreeTally
In the weeks before the shooting, according to two neighbors, Toomey mowed his lawn in full uniform, gun belt and all.

Nah... If I was a cop I'd do the same thing. Wash the car in my uniform too. Sends a message out to the [neighbor]hood-- I'm a cop so don't futz wi' me.

18 posted on 01/02/2003 1:00:43 PM PST by maxwell
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Me, I'd also have my second chance shirt on as well. Regardless of how hot the darn thing is.
19 posted on 01/02/2003 1:00:44 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: toothless
This article really leaves me torn up inside...

I carry a 9mm Glock but now comes this story and I'm wondering again if I should step up to the .45 caliber Glock 30. I HATE this debate!

What to do, what to do...

Oh yeah - sounds like a good shoot to me. Even in the People's Republik of Massachusetts you've got the right to defend yourself against a deadly threat. And, as the bumper sticker says, I'd rather be tried by twelve...
20 posted on 01/02/2003 1:03:42 PM PST by islander-11
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