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States Begin Crack Down on Home Schooling
Icehouse ^ | 01/03 | unknown

Posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3

H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.

What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.

Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.

Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: choice; constitutionlist; education; educationnews; homeschool; homeschoollist; schoolchoice
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To: CholeraJoe
I'm notifying Eli Weisel that he missed you in the search.:^)

Actually, I know you're being teasingly provocative; but you know all the arguments used against the exercise of fundamental individual rights, and therefore provide for a wall against which counter-argument may be slung: makes for an interesting thread.

If, however, you are serious in your assertions--which I seriously doubt--a scurvy pox upon you, sir! I recognise your sentiment, have defeated it once already; and I stand ready to defend liberty against the predations which you--wielding the cudgel of majoritan tyranny--would inflict upon your neighbors! Your notions are fundamentally corrupt, evil, scorn-worthy: an insult to what my father, uncles and granfathers endured in service to this country and its constitution.

I will step around you; lift my feet over you; step upon your face, or contest my life for yours, if ever you, or any like you, seek to rob me of that to which God hisself has appointed to my stewardship and discretion.

But I know you're kidding, so take no umbrage at my rant.

81 posted on 01/02/2003 2:02:53 PM PST by dasboot
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To: CholeraJoe
A general diffusion of knowledge being essential to the preservation of the liberties and rights of the people, it shall be the duty of the Legislature of the State to establish and make suitable provision for the support and maintenance of an efficient system of public free schools.

Where does it say that the public must use this education, only that is shall be provided. I have a constitunal right of freedom of religion. Supreme court agrees, Amish do not go to school past the 8th grade. You can not force them it is their right. Nor can you force a parent have their children sit in classes that teach ideas opposed to their religion. The only thing this is about is the control of minds and money. I am not willing to give up my freedom of self determination to the goverment nor should any republican or libertarian that is for the socialist in the dim. party.

82 posted on 01/02/2003 2:14:23 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: CholeraJoe
About time. If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards

That is scary. You show me in the Constitution where government is given the sole right to educate children.

83 posted on 01/02/2003 2:15:47 PM PST by montag813
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To: Carry_Okie
All they want us for is to rais their average test scores so that they can qualify for Federal Funds and they don't care what happens to my kids in the process. Leave us alone.

So true, the funny thing they miss is the fact that a large portion of those kids they want back so badly to bring up their test scores were the ones failing misserably in school without home schooling.

84 posted on 01/02/2003 2:19:48 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: CholeraJoe
About time. If private citizens wish to assume the functions of government, let them meet government standards. If I want to build my own house, I still need to comply with the applicable building codes.

And you post on Free Republic, Why exactly?

Was your screen name at DU.com taken? Democrats.com not accepting any new applicants?

85 posted on 01/02/2003 2:19:59 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: texson66
My advice: don't let the government know you have children!

Good idea. But how?

86 posted on 01/02/2003 2:22:06 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: hsmomx3
government control, government control, government control,

GOVERNMENT CONTROL!

87 posted on 01/02/2003 2:22:46 PM PST by patriot_wes
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To: CholeraJoe
college degree in education

BWAHAHAHAAHAH!

Ah yes. A degree for those too worthless to take anything else.

88 posted on 01/02/2003 2:23:28 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: CholeraJoe
The General Assembly shall provide for the maintenance and support of a thorough and efficient system of public education to serve the needs of the Commonwealth.

Once again where does it state that attendance is mandatory in said public school system???????? Please show me where in the Constitution of the United States of America it states that all children are owned by the state and must attend public schools or only those schools approved by the goverment????

89 posted on 01/02/2003 2:24:40 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: CholeraJoe
You can disagee with the premise but you cannot dispute that public education has constitutional authority in nearly every state and is thereby a legitimate function of government.

I most definitely disagree with the premise. Primary Education of children is the parent's job. Giving that responsibility over to the government is a recent developement in human history. Secondary Education (i.e. College or University) should not even be within the control of government.

Of course, Liberals are almost all Statists, and buy into the false idea of a benign, benificent State who only has the best interests of its citizens at heart. If they can't even see the fallacy in that idea, is it any wonder that they have been for years slowly taking over more and more of the roles of parent and guardian?

If you put your trust in government, you have no right to bitch when the government sh*ts on you. And it's only a matter of time before they do...

90 posted on 01/02/2003 2:25:07 PM PST by nobdysfool
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To: CholeraJoe
I wouldn't send my dog to a public school. He's a good dog.
91 posted on 01/02/2003 2:30:51 PM PST by Jonx6
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To: CholeraJoe
You're nuts. Have you seen the results from the various states that implemented basic skills testing for teachers? A large percentage of those "college degreed" "licensed" teachers can't pass a basic skills test at the middle school level -- but the states decided to let them teach in the public schools anyway, on the grounds that they wouldn't have enough teachers otherwise!
92 posted on 01/02/2003 2:33:40 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

Please tell me why that matters, when tests consistantly show that home schooled kids test the same whether taught by a mother with a teaching certificate, any college degree or no college at all. Which is a heck of a lot better than those taught in the public education system by that teacher with a college degree in education!!!

93 posted on 01/02/2003 2:36:06 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Bella_Bru
They probably exist and are most likely learning more now than when they were in govt. schooling.
94 posted on 01/02/2003 2:45:18 PM PST by hsmomx3
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To: Carry_Okie
True. Now if we could get out of paying school property taxes.
95 posted on 01/02/2003 2:47:06 PM PST by hsmomx3
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To: CholeraJoe
Substitute Medicine for education in your statement and reconsider. Do you have a right to remove your child's appendix because you are their parent? You think nothing of educating your child yourself but wouldn't dream of practicing medicine on them.

That is the stupidist allegory I have ever seen, and I have never called anybody a name on this forum before, and hope to never again! From the day a child is born you as a parent are a teacher( you must not have children or you would have figured this out by now). We as humans naturally teach our children. We do it with out a college degree in education! We are constantly learning and we are constantly sharing that knowledge(teaching). Believe me it does not require a degree in education to out perform any public education and our test scores yearly prove it!!

A degree in something does not make you an expert. On my own without a university I could immerse myself in a subject and with enough studying on my part and internship time, could be better prepaired in that subject than those with a degree. A degree does not make you proficient, just ask busisnesses who get these kids out of college.

96 posted on 01/02/2003 2:53:57 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Zack Nguyen; hsmomx3; scripter; Grampa Dave; *Education News
"The amendment simply says that government shall provide free public schools. Very well. It does not say that anyone else has to live up to their standards. It does not say that anyone has to attend these "public free schools." It does not mandate that public schools are the benchmark that homeschoolers must live up to."

The amendment doesn't say or mandate these things, but the National Education Association Union does. And they are fighting to regulate all education including homeschooling. The NEAU must be shut down.

THE NEA IS A LABOR UNION!

The National Education Association: Emphasis on the Ass

97 posted on 01/02/2003 2:54:58 PM PST by EdReform
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To: hsmomx3
Yeah, like the earth is flat, the sun revolves around it, Lincoln was satan, etc.
98 posted on 01/02/2003 3:03:38 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: CholeraJoe
Substitute Medicine for education in your statement and reconsider. Do you have a right to remove your child's appendix because you are their parent? You think nothing of educating your child yourself but wouldn't dream of practicing medicine on them.

Does a parent have the right to remove a child from the care of a doctor who claims to be able to remove an appendix but has had numerous complaints filed against him/her for falsely diagnosing children or removing appendixes in such a way that it further harms the child? Of course they do. It's a matter of choice and the parents have the say over what they feel is the best medical tretment available as well as what the child best educational options are. It's not up to the government to make those decisions.

99 posted on 01/02/2003 3:06:19 PM PST by Born in a Rage
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To: CholeraJoe
So you're telling me that every homeschooler is a teacher with a college degree in education, licensed as such by the state in which the teaching takes place?

Parents have taught their children since the beginning of time. Who teaches them to walk, to use a napkin, their ABC's, to drive a car, etc. and etc.....are you suggesting that parents need a license in order to have children and teach them things? Be careful what you wish for, it could come true.

100 posted on 01/02/2003 3:11:45 PM PST by Born in a Rage
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