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States Begin Crack Down on Home Schooling
Icehouse ^ | 01/03 | unknown

Posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3

H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.

What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.

Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.

Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: choice; constitutionlist; education; educationnews; homeschool; homeschoollist; schoolchoice
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To: hsmomx3
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261 posted on 01/02/2003 10:27:45 PM PST by schu
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To: Bella_Bru
"Nice try. I'm a cradle Catholic who is on the conversion path to Judasim. I like an appreciation for questions in my religion."

Just trying to figure you out B_B.

Why don't you try Jesus Christ of Nazareth? He loves you mucho you know!
262 posted on 01/02/2003 10:30:11 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: CholeraJoe
let them meet government standards.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Government Standards!

Tell me, Joe, does a public restroom meet Government Standards?

263 posted on 01/02/2003 10:34:16 PM PST by krb
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To: ApesForEvolution
Why don't you try Jesus Christ of Nazareth? He loves you mucho you know!

Read what I said. I have an appreciation for a religion which embraces questions, inquiries, etc. I'm not a "just pray and have faith but don't dare raise a question" type person when it comes to religion.

264 posted on 01/02/2003 10:37:27 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Aric2000
The public school is something that the state finds necassary to have, that is FINE, but you cannot FORCE me to send my kids there.

I think you missed where I came into all this. I never said I had an issue with most homeschoolers. Just the idiots.

265 posted on 01/02/2003 10:38:55 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: AppyPappy; CholeraJoe
Having a degree in education and a license is no indicator of a good teacher

The best teacher I have ever seen is a homeschooling mom with a GED who taught herself how to teach her own children. Her oldest is now in college and has a 3.3 GPA. Her next child is a HS senior and can do trig and calculus like it's no one's business. Her youngest two are as sharp as tacks and both want to become scientists.

It doesn't take an education degree to teach children successfully. You have to really care about your young charges. In that, parents have a huge edge over politicians and educrats.

266 posted on 01/02/2003 10:57:04 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Bella_Bru
Have you ever started a personal relationship with Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
267 posted on 01/02/2003 10:59:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Bella_Bru
Then let's be straight about this, I will use an analogy.

99.9999% of all guns were NOT used in a crime last year, but since .0001% were, we must make the 99.9999% suffer for it.

You are using the same logic, just because 99.99% of homeschoolers are succeeding, and about .01% are not succeeding, because their reasons for homeschooling are selfish, then we must make the 99.99% suffer.

This is faulty and is a DIRECT cause and EXCUSE for the nanny state, .01% of the population CANNOT take care of themselves, therefore we must take care of 100% of the population.

Oh, and just because I think that you have the impression that most Homeschoolers are Christian fundamentalists or something.

I am Pagan, and I still will NOT allow my children to go to a public indoctrination center.

Also, when I look at my eldest daughters publicly schooled playmates of the same age, I am stunned by the difference in knowledge, maturity, and leadership skills.

My child will talk down an argument, she reads far BEYOND her peers, and she takes charge. SHe is also as comfortable with adults as she is with children at or near her own age.

It is a wonder to see. She will introduce herself to an adult, and yet her publicly schooled playmates will HIDE behind an adult and not even think about introducing themselves. She will ONLY introduce herself to a strange adult, if there is an adult she knows right there.

She is startingly knowledgeable, very well read, and loves READING beyond just about anything else, unless of course I will help her grow crystals or experiment with marbles and ramps.(this is science by the way, it teaches her about gravity.) We are also now getting into US history and constitutional government. I think that it may be a bit beyond her, but she is showing an interest, so I will strike while the iron is hot, and see what happens, if interest goes down, then I will move onto something else, I want her to learn, not be bored.

By the way, she turns 7 in March.
268 posted on 01/02/2003 11:00:45 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
I am Pagan

I am surprised you haven't been strung up for not having what some think is the only proper religion for a FReeper.

269 posted on 01/02/2003 11:02:33 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: ApesForEvolution
Not interested, thanks. I like Judaism just fine.
270 posted on 01/02/2003 11:02:54 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
You know something, I am NOT even going to go there!! LOL
271 posted on 01/02/2003 11:07:23 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Bella_Bru
"Not interested, thanks. I like Judaism just fine."

If you are truly searching for eternal truth, I would encourage you to include discussions with sincere Messianic Jewish folk in your search. Their keen knowledge of Christ's foretelling through superior Old Testament study is quite interesting.

I wish you all the best in your search...
272 posted on 01/02/2003 11:10:20 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: ApesForEvolution
If you are truly searching for eternal truth, I would encourage you to include discussions with sincere Messianic Jewish folk in your search

I actually regularly donate to Jew For Judaism, a counter missionary group. I started last year when several synagogues in the L.A. area were littered with flyers from a Christian group. I am sure they would not appreciate someone doing that to their churches.

273 posted on 01/02/2003 11:34:55 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
I am sure they would not appreciate someone doing that to their churches.

Can you imagine? If I didn't think it was rude, I'd be tempted to go to a church that does these sorts of things and return the favor.

274 posted on 01/02/2003 11:36:51 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Bella_Bru
I'm talking Jews that believe Jesus is the Messiah.
275 posted on 01/02/2003 11:52:00 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: ApesForEvolution
I know what you are talking about. I support a group that wishes to retain our religion and faith.
276 posted on 01/03/2003 12:31:01 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: CholeraJoe; *Education News
efficient system of public education to serve the needs of the Commonwealth.
CJ, ALWAYS "the needs of the state". I would venture that public schools in both Penn., and Texas, as in Maryland have failed miserably in providing an "efficient system of public education" that serves to educate the young. Perhaps they need more money to better their abysmal failure. Serving the children hasn't been a goal of public education for awhile now. Only serving the educators and the "state".

Home schoolers with RARE exception serve their students needs to learn. And, the "unlettered" with rare exception are far superior to the many lettered when it comes to actually education their children rather than training the children to be "good citizens". As the article suggests, THAT strikes FEAR into the hearts and minds{?} of the elite. Peace and love, George.

277 posted on 01/03/2003 5:27:21 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: MissAmericanPie
What can we do to help? If there is anything let me know.

Sorry--I headed off to fix some computer files yesterday and never made it back to the thread. Here in PA we have very strong HS'ing advocacy groups, but they are currently "split" into two camps. One "camp" wants the Home Ed. law rewritten to be less intrusive and to allow for more freedom and choice in what a family does each year as 'proof' of education -- the other "camp" feels that we must all continue to be held accountable to the School Districts (even if they are hostile), mainly because PA standards are well-known and it helps the children when they apply to college -- There is also a paid diploma program situation mixed up in this -- some families (like mine) who do not use the diploma program have had difficulty in securing student loans (only in PA) due to intensive lobbying by one of the directors of such a program...the loan group believes that a "recognized" diploma is required under PA law (it is not), so we attempted to have the wording of the current law changed to reflect the legitimacy of a parent-issued diploma. Unfortunately - the proposed law change was tabled in committee, due to a "surprise" last-minute attempt at adding even more regulations/accountability to the bill -- we're now taking a step back and seeing where we stand -- it was quite clear at the meetings that HS'ers in PA want less regulation (by at least an 8-1 margin) but there are strong ties between the state educational system and some HS'ing "leaders" and the more liberal Reps. just can't let go of the idea that the state must be responsible for the education of ALL children (even those who wish to be allowed to opt out of a failing public system) -- unfortunately we have lost one of our strongest advocates, a homeschooling State legislator who was instrumental in pushing for the changes was not re-elected

There is not much that anyone can do right now, things are at a standstill. The "certificate of mastery" is being sneaked into the PA educational system and not being publicized, since, where it has been brought out, parents have been hostile to the idea (understandably so--do you want YOUR kid to be in the majority of "losers") -- the PASS test has also been very controversial and parents do not like it AT ALL -- best thing to do is just stay informed and be ready to write to your Reps. if they try to shove this "new idea" at all of us (watch CA, PA and MA -- these states are at the forefront of educational 'reform')

278 posted on 01/03/2003 6:52:11 AM PST by twyn1
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To: hsmomx3
Excellent news from HSLDA.org regarding the reining in of social service workers:

http://hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200301/200301030.asp

It's going to be harder for child welfare workers to invade a family's home without good reason.
279 posted on 01/03/2003 6:57:19 AM PST by ladylib
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To: hsmomx3
More good news about financial aid for homeschoolers:

http://hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200301/200301020.asp
280 posted on 01/03/2003 7:01:58 AM PST by ladylib
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