States Begin Crack Down on Home Schooling

Icehouse ^ | 01/03 | unknown

[hsmomx3]

H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.

What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.

Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.

Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.

[koax]

how does one get to be a member of iserbyt's site?

[SwankyC]

Where exactly in Article 7 does it say anyone is required to even attend the "efficient system of public free schools."????

[koax]

i'm for home schooling.

one example: recently i met a teen age black kid working in a fast food restaurant. in that location blacks don't work in fast food because the restaurants are managed and staffed by mexicans. but this kid did.

i noticed that he arrived to work 15 minutes early. he was polite, self-disciplined, and intelligent.

i wondered what was going on. many of the black kids that i see in socal are out of control.

later i got to know him and it came up that his mother had home schooled him.

my guess is that he's emotionally and intellectually 10 years ahead of his public-schooled peers.

this kid will be a success, i just know it.

[Carry_Okie]

Your spite doesn't change the facts which you have yet to confront. I note also that you haven't cited anything from Mr. Gatto's site because it you can't twist it to reinforce your position. That demonstrates a complete lack of intellectual integrity.

Reagan promised to end the Department of Education when he ran for President. Instead, he indeed agreed to model the US system on the Soviet educational paradigm (originally developed in Germany, BTW).

Mrs. Iserbyt's book has nearly 200 pages of endnotes, references to original sources. So far, you have yet to offer anything but ignorant vitriol.

I am still uncomfortable why Reagan acceeded to the change. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that he had just survived an assassination attempt, GHWB was in the wings, and he had the Cold War to win. I don't know.

[Lady Heron]

Think pre-depression ewra. That is what I was referring to. And if you live out west, you know that illegals almost refuse to send their kids to school ,because they are more useful in the fields.

Illegals are a totally seperate problem. Not something I should loose my freedoms over.

[Bella_Bru]

I am not going to read some tinfoil hat bs written by someone who likely was predicting the end of the world on 1/1/00.

That demonstrates a complete lack of intellectual integrity.

If you think Birchers have intellectual integrity, I am sorry. I think they are fun for parties, but that is about it.

[stage left]

Thank you! When the teachers unions hold their own accountable I'll consider their opinion. The NEA are "concerned about neglect"? They should visit a few public school classrooms.

[Aric2000]

If you choose to use the free indoctrination system for educating your children. More power to you.

My wife and I homeschool our 3 children, she does not have a paying full time job, her full time job is to raise and school our children.

It takes great sacrifice, great devotion, and an extreme amount of love for your children.

Again, if you don't want to homeschool, more power to you I suppose. That free indoctrination sure allows more money, because both mom and dad work, or if Mom doesn't work, she can sit on her butt and watch soaps all day.

Yep, sounds good to me, more money in the house, or more free time, because the kids are off to the indoctrinatioin center all day. And what do you know, if that indoctrination center cannot indoctrinate or control your kids, they will even DRUG them for you.

Yep, you go right ahead, less competition for my kids when they grow up.

[Lady Heron]

Just read goals 2000. A Clinton administration education plan.

I meant that if you did not trust this source than read the goverments plan for yourself. Or just as good some of the goals of the NEA from the NEA itself. Then perhaps you will not need your tinfoil hat.

[ApesForEvolution]

"If you want all private academies, I hope you plan on making non-religious ones as easily available."

With choice comes competition.

Is your real 'beef' with the fact that most private schools in America are Christian and the majority of home schoolers are...Christian...and you don't like God much?

[Aric2000]

Glory,

I am sorry to hear that you have had complications.

My wife and I have 3 children, first one, we went to the hospital, baby was breech, C-Section. 2nd one was in the hospital as well, they tried to force us to have another c-section, we and our Doula told them to bugger off. We had the baby VBAC and she is a happy and healthy 2 year old.

Because of the hospital interventions in the birth of our 2nd child, IV was demanded, umbilical cord was cut immediately upon her coming out, my wife did not get to hold the baby for 15 minutes or more, and the doctor almost dropped the baby. My wife has babies quick, less then 3 hours from water breaking to birth. We decided, NEVER AGAIN!!

Our third was a homebirth, from the VERY beginning of the pregnancy she went to a midwife, by the time she was at 36 weeks, she was REALLY big, ANY hospital would have imeediately induced her. THe midwife, let nature take it's course. At 3:00 AM the morning after thanksgiving my wife's water broke, I called the midwife, then called my mom, changed the bed to the birth bed, made my wife comfortable, and waited for nature to take it's course. At 6:18 AM my son, all 9 pounds of him, was born in our bedroom. IT WAS WONDERFUL. We have had complications as well in previous births, but that didn't stop us!!

Check into things a little further, you may be surprised. I of course do not know your circumstances, but it sure was great for us.

[Carry_Okie]

I am not going to read some tinfoil hat bs written by someone who likely was predicting the end of the world on 1/1/00.

Do you know that for a fact? Read the facts. I don't agree exactly with Iserbyt's conclusions about the facts, but I won't argue with what the documents she presents have to say. You are a fool to presume them errant without examining the facts.

For you to do that however, would require that you change your worldview. You would rather live in your fantasy. That I understand having gone through that process myself at length. The facts are rather unpleasant; but they are incontrovertable.

That is why we have the US Constitution which, contrary to your idiotic interpretation of state constitutions providing free public education, does not mean that COMPULSORY public education to state defined standards meets the mandate of the Bill of Rights (the preamble of which states that it supercedes the rest of that founding document). State constitutions are after all subject to the constraints of Article 4. Perhaps the only section of the Constitution that might give government such a right is the first clause of the 14th Amendment which confers citizenship, something that the National government didn't have the constitutional power to adopt (at least if you accept the premise of the existence of such a thing as an unalienable right or the idea of limited government).

[Aric2000]

If you mean state as in state and not federal, any powers not delegated nor prohibited are reserved to the states.

Cute, definitely a lawyer, if it won't fit your agenda, then cut it until it does. You MISSED a part of that amendment there Bella of the ball. Here let me QUOTE it to you!!

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Did you understand that Bolded part there Bella, the part that you so conveniently left out?

You are difinitely a lawyer in training. And that is NOT a compliment.

[dasboot]

Neat! I've never been able to do that before! :^)

[Bella_Bru]

Is your real 'beef' with the fact that most private schools in America are Christian and the majority of home schoolers are...Christian...and you don't like God much

Nice try. I'm a cradle Catholic who is on the conversion path to Judasim. I like an appreciation for questions in my religion.

[Bella_Bru]

The people make up the state. Show me a state where the majority have voted out public education.

I won't hold my breath.

[paul51]

The only way to perpetuate the lousy public education system is to force people to use it.

[dasboot]

SauronOM.....I remember our conversations of, what, one or two years ago? Warms me inside to know your aspirations are becoming your reality. Way to go, man!

[jeremiah]

to establish and make suitable provision for, the support and maintenance of an efficient system of public free schools So where in this legal language, does it give govt the sole right to educate children? Or to judge the results of parents efforts? Shouldn't the judgement be left to colleges, tested by entrance exams etc? Aren't these same schools afraid of testing of their own students?

[Aric2000]

YOu hit it on the head there Bella, but the people do NOT give up their rights to the state either.

The public school is something that the state finds necassary to have, that is FINE, but you cannot FORCE me to send my kids there.

I will ask you the same question that I asked Cholera, WHO'S KIDS ARE THEY?

Just because the state has a welfare program, doesn't mean I have to use it, just because a state has a healthcare system, doesn't mean that I have to use it.

The school system is no different.