Posted on 01/02/2003 11:03:09 AM PST by hsmomx3
H ome schoolers have long held the belief that if they received exemptions from the education laws being put in place at the state and federal level, they could safely teach their children at home without government interference. A good example of this is the exemption home schoolers achieved to HR 6 in 1994 and ESSHB 1209 bringing education reform to Washington State in 1993.
What home schoolers did not know, however, is that education reform was instituted to bring education into coalescence with systems governance, and under systems governance, all really does mean all ? no one can be exempted from inclusion in the system. That includes home schoolers.
Home schoolers believed the exemptions would protect them. A good example is the home schoolers in California. For years they have existed under the private schooling laws. Now, California is cracking down on home schoolers in order to bring them into the system. In other states that have home school laws, the matter of bringing home schoolers under the umbrella of systems education and government control will be as easy as requiring a certificate of mastery in order for the child to get a job, a drivers license, or go on to higher education. We are already seeing signs of that happening in Washington State. No doubt it is, or will, happen in other states with home school laws as well.
Home schoolers have not been exempted from the system, they have only been exempted from the laws putting the system in place.
I do know that most homeschoolers are not that dumb.
It was my understanding that the reason for compulsory education was to get poor schools out of the fields or factories and into school. Their better off peers were able to go, as their families did not need them to work to keep the family afloat. Compulsory education gave the poor kids a chance too.
If you want to get rid of public education completely, I hope you have a decent alternative. I love vouchers, but in many parts of the country, the only private schools are religious schools. If you want all private academies, I hope you plan on making non-religious ones as easily available.
My homeschooled eldest daughter just got her SAT results: 1230 (83rd percentile). Not bad for a 14 year old.
No, it is not the "holier than thou" home school cheerleaders, just the "holier than thou" anti-socialist, who do not see their salvation in every goverment program.
That is a fairly representative belief. It happens to be totally false. You should read the writings of Horace Mann and John Dewey, the founders of compulsory education in America. Their purpose for instituting compulsory public education was to make it possible to institute socialism.
You have already been referred to John Taylor Gatto's book, The Underground History of American Education. There he details that unfortunate history and the intents of Mssrs. Mann and Dewey. It's very well documented. Even more critical to this debate is that the current miserable state of public schools is no accident. They are working exactly as intended. For that story you should investigate The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Iserbyt. It too is meticulously documented.
how workforce training (school-to-work) is an essential part of an overall plan for a global economy,
Sorry, I do not have enough tinfoil for this one. Let me guess, "The Illuminati are coming! The Illuminati are coming! The Birchers were right!".
I read most of theses threads I see public schools being slammed not private. Most of us would agree that home schooling is not for everybody!! We just do not feel that the goverment has any right to tell us, who are doing a better job educating children than they do, what to do.
Private school is a much better option than public education, as can easily be shown in test scores.
This is a total misunderstanding of what happens in home education. By then the child is usually able to read the instructions and teach themselves,they no longer want the parent sitting over him constantly. If a parent does not understand a concept or can not help the child understand a subject when the child runs across something he can not figure out, there are other avenues of help availiable to him/her. I had a terrible time trying to teach Chemistry at home, I never found that it worked well. Instead a woman in our community who was a medical researcher at a local hospital puts on a class every year to teach chemistry. My child went and took chemistry at the local community college getting credit for both high school and college at the same time.
My husband helps other homeschoolers whose parents are not strong in math when their child has a problem in math. There are many ways to work around problems, we end up with some rather creative ideas to solve what problems we encounter.
Right now, you don't even need a high school diploma to be accepted at a college. If homeschoolers have attended a community college, or can show that they have done work at a level sufficient to the freshman level, or have decent SAT or ACT scores, colleges will admit them. They can even get Federal financial aid, if they have been admitted, because it would be discriminatory to NOT allow them to get financial aid if other students admitted are getting it. They just have to prove to the school that they have done the work sufficient to obtaining a high school diploma in their home state. This was proven by the public school kids here in MA who had refused the take the MCAS, so would not get a diploma from their school, but found out from the colleges they had contacted that they didn't need the diploma. Most homeschooled high schoolers either go with an 'umbrella school', a credentialling school, or put together their own portfolios to submit to colleges.
Yes, states could make it difficult, but I think with the studies being out there that show that homeschoolers are doing at least as well or BETTER than most public school kids, the public could be convinced to support homeschoolers against any truly nasty state requirements. I live in MA where surprisingly, the nanny state has not begun to interfere with homeschoolers. Most h/sing decisions are handled at the local level with Superintendents using decisions made by the Supreme Judicial Court as a basis for their decisions. The two homeschooling support groups, the secular and the Christian, are working together to get any regulations that are passed to be as unintrusive as possible. It has worked so far. There are many towns, mine being one, that don't have much if anything to do with homeschoolers. Last year and this, I sent to the School Dept, by Certified Mail, return receipt requested, my letter of intent with a list of subjects each child would study. Each year I've gotten the green receipt from the Post Office, and have never heard another word from the School Dept. That works for me!
That statement just says that the state has a duty to PROVIDE education for its citizens. It does NOT say that a citizen is REQUIRED to avail himself of that privilege. If someone wants to be schooled in a different manner, the state does not seem to have the right to demand anything of that person.
The free market would take care of this in the type of higher education the person would be seeking. Some colleges require more of those who apply than others. If a student desires to be admitted to a big name, competitive school, he or she will have to do the work in the subjects required by that college for admittance.
I have never met a home school family like this. I have met home school families that own their own sucessful business where the kids help out sometimes after school or on weekends if they are intrested in the business, in hope that they will be part of the family business when old enough. They are well into their late teens, just like the teens working in the local drive through. There have been a few home school children who have started on their own very sucessful businesses.
Just read goals 2000. A Clinton administration education plan. No tinfoil required. This is where this stuff comes from.
It was my understanding that the reason for compulsory education was to get poor schools out of the fields or factories and into school.
I responded that you are in error and provided a source who was a former Undersecretary of Education for President Reagan, a FAR more authoritative person than you. So you rejoin by demonizing the source and putting words in my mouth, a tactic characteristic of an incompetent leftist lawyer:
So you completely deny that some people did not send their kids to school because they were better off (or at least able to survive) by having them work?
As if I were privy to the personal motives of every chump who fell for the system.
Then you go on:
Sorry, I do not have enough tinfoil for this one. Let me guess, "The Illuminati are coming! The Illuminati are coming! The Birchers were right!".
What Ms. Iserbyt says is accurate and, (unlike you) rather than relying upon innuendo, she can prove it with primary source documents from the United States Department of Education.
I was a participant on the first Local UN Agenda21 panel in the United States here in the County of Santa Cruz. Global Governance is an incipient reality, and in that respect the Birchers were right. Your ignorant condescension proves nothing. I suggest that you do the homework, because all you are accomplishing here is to parade your ignorance.
Are you sure this isn't ripped from some Birch Society site?
It gets bettter:
You said:
Just read goals 2000. A Clinton administration education plan.
From the website:
1985: U.S.-Soviet (Reagan-Gorbachev) and Carnegie-Soviet Education Agreements merged the two nations' education systems and set in motion a planned economy. 80s and 90s: These were years of involvement of Secretaries of Education, Bell, Bennett and Alexander, and President George Bush, Sr. in America 2000. Clinton continued America 2000, implemented by Secretary Riley, under the new name, Goals 2000
So Bush and Reagan are part of the evil NWO too? LMAO! I am surprised the writer made it out of her Y2K shelter long enough to write this. Watch out for the black helicopters!
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