Indeed.
Posted on 01/02/2003 7:03:41 AM PST by SJackson
Edited on 04/22/2004 11:47:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
On this day in 1942, the Japanese army occupies Manila in the Philippines. After just twenty-seven days of fighting, all of Luzon Island is under Japanese control.
Why do you ask? Because he shoots down the question that you and so many of your friends are fond of asking (Will you send your child into war)?
David Asman obviously gets it. Freedom is what we (and yes, I said we - because we are all in this thing together) are fighting for. Too bad so many folks don't feel the price is worth it.
Indeed.
Oh, please.
I live in Queens, NY which has probably the largest number of new immigrants than any other county in the US and the largest number of different home countries than any other immigrant community in the US.
If the INS were any good, I can think of hundreds of people in my neighborhood who would be right back on the plane home. The amount of people committing insurance fraud alone is staggering.
Perhaps in the insulated world of suburban Virginia unchecked immigration produces only sweetly-smiling young George Washingtons.
For those of us who actually live in the heart of it, it's decidedly a mixed blessing.
When did I paint with a broad brush?
Did you even read my post?
Knock out, bruh!
Mr. Bush and his “neocon” advisors took the easy way out. Instead of confronting ISLAM head on, he went to pick on a dead horse. Yes, he may be able to drop bombs on Iraq, but what is new? We have been doing that for ten years.
For some reason the White House advisors have confused Moslem Terrorists with Saddam? First focus on Bin Laden! Get his head on a stick, then get the rest of the worthless militant Moslems including, Abu Sayyaf, Qaddafi, The Sudan Junta, Lots of Pakistanis, Indonesians, Chechnyians, Egyptians, Yemenis, Saudis.....The list goes on and on. Saddam is no way on top of the Militant Islamic Fanatics list.
And when you get done fighting, then go ahead and make sure that's put into the Constitution. Those rights are not guaranteed to you.
You may come in as a student, but only after writing an assay saying that you do not approve of militant Islam!
Of course, it's OK to deal with the religious exclusion of the Constitution though. Make up your mind. Which way do you want it? Kill a "freedom" that is not enumerated in the Constitution or one that is directly noted in the Constitution? And if you do go after religion, then where do you stop?
I'm no fan of militant Islam. And as opposed to dealing with it that way, how about defining for them what they haven't defined. Militant Islam in general and Al Qaeda in particular (along with Abu Sayyef, Hamas and the other groups) are nation-states. By defining them as such, we are free to make war upon them under relations between nations.
Some may say that I've read too much science fiction, but let's face it. We're living in "the future." Corporate and organizational entities are virtual nations and nation-states. Let's treat them as such. It will certainly allow us to declare and wage war appropriately - and without all the mitigating bull squeeze that you and your friends have continually come upw with.
Get his head on a stick, then get the rest of the worthless militant Moslems including, Abu Sayyaf, Qaddafi, The Sudan Junta, Lots of Pakistanis, Indonesians, Chechnyians, Egyptians, Yemenis, Saudis.....The list goes on and on.
You seem to forget that there must be a starting point. And that things must proceed in an orderly fashion. Dead horse? There'll be plenty of dead horses if Saddam can finish his nefarious plans to develop WMD and start giving them to the more elusive elements out there. How would you like a more successful Richard Reid who has a portable nuke or a vial of plague as opposed to Nike's new Air Plastique 2003 shoe on?
As for the others you mention, let's get real. If Qaddafi or the Paks or the Egyptians were in the on deck circle instead of Iraq, you'd be whining just as loudly about Saddam. You - along with the rest of the leftists - aren't satisfied unless you're beating up on the Administration.
I'm not going to say that they're perfect - far from it. Strip-searching 85 year-old grandparents (like mine, for example) who are trying to fly from Chicago to Baltimore for Thanksgiving dinner is not the way to win friends and influence people. And it certainly isn't the way to catch the bad guys - all of whom look more like Apu on the Simpsons than Clara Peller or Fred Sanford.
And finally, as for Bin Laden, it's pretty hard to put so much pink vapor on a stick for the world to see; not to mention just as hard to produce a body. You sound like someone who's read too many comic books: "Ra's Al Ghul can't be dead, because there's no body. He got away and is relaxing in his Lazarus Pit waiting for another chance to strike out against Batman."
This is simple. Get done with the first job before us: Saddam. Eliminate his avenue of trade with the terrorists. Then go after the others, whether it's Abu Sayyaf, the House of Saud, the Yemeni Cartel, the Colombians, Indonesians or anyone else for that matter. I'm certain there's a game plan. And like the fans of any of the football teams playing this weekend, you do not need to know what that game plan is. You, like the bad guys, will find out what it is in the fullness of time.
The fullness of time is right now. Osama, Mullah Omar, Dr. El Zawahiri, Abu Sayyaf,.... Get busy producing heads on sticks. Get busy finger printing all these Moslem SOBs in this country. Get busy closing, and guarding our boarders. Get busy recruiting and training thousands of Arabic speaking spies that should infiltrate the fifth column of Moslems in this country. Leave that stupid dictator on the back burner until we finish the real immediate problem that we have on our hand. We, and he know damn well that we can drop bombs on him anytime we feel like it. That should be the end of our policy toward Iraq. If we don’t have success getting Osama in the middle of caves, how do you imagine we are going to be successful getting Saddam in the middle of cities of millions of hate filled people.
That matter may be a little difficult when you've vilified all of them, and scared them into not wanting to even talk to the government.
Leave that stupid dictator on the back burner until we finish the real immediate problem that we have on our hand.
Saddam is the immediate problem. Let's say we follow your faulted logic. What do we do, drop everything that we've already set in motion to follow your own game plan? I'm sorry, but the field generals and coaches that are already in place are not doing the worst job in the world with the gamebook they are playing with. And no, you don't have a "right" to look at the gamebook while the game is in progress, home team fan or otherwise.
We, and he know damn well that we can drop bombs on him anytime we feel like it. That should be the end of our policy toward Iraq.
So we should let him go ahead and produce nasty weapons to give to the bad guys so they can strike us while we're in the midst of catching them? Sorry - I don't think that's the best way to go.
If we don’t have success getting Osama in the middle of caves, how do you imagine we are going to be successful getting Saddam in the middle of cities of millions of hate filled people.
Sorry to tell you this, but we got Osama. Osama's dead. It's a little difficult to produce a body that's been atomized into so much pink vapor mixed with cave rock. He's not Dr. Doom or Magneto. He won't come back to fight The Fantastic Four or the Justice League after building himself an exoskeleton or some other such comic book rot to contain his "powers and life essence."
I wish you were correct, but our Pentagon just announced last month that the hate tape sent by Osama was the real Osama's voice. You may dream about our success all you want, however, the facts are 1) Osama, Dr. Zawahiri, Mullah Omar, Abu Sayyaf, Qadafi, the Saudi money flow, the Egyptian underground Islamic movement, The Pakistanis Militants, The Yemenis/Afghanis/Somalis/Sudanese Moslem warlords are all in business. The only success we had so far is to relocate the Taliban; that is hardly the results that would be worth pounding my chest with pride over. We are the greatest and only superpower, and yet we are unable to ask Saudi Arabia to stop the money flow that is funding this hate. Unless, and until our leadership recognize that the Moslem fanatic movement is hate movement cultivated by many Moslem states. Yes, again the government of many Moslem states are up to their ears in plotting against us, and we are simply playing diplomatic game with them. I wish Bush would take the same hard line he is taking against Saddam with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Chechnya, Uzbekistan, Lybia,
You don't want to go to war - you think that any aggressive moves we make are wrong. Your comments have shown that in the past. If it was the Saudis or Indonesia or Pakistan or France, you'd be screaming from the rooftops about how bad it was.
Let's face it. You have no desire to see us go after our enemies, no matter who they are. Your only concern is to close the borders and turn the US into a Monroe Doctrinesque society, all to ourselves, and the rest of the planet be damned - even if they decide to come into our homes against us.
Go fiddle, Nero. The rest of us will make sure that Rome doesn't burn.
With our absolute control of Afghanistan, Yemen, and Kuwait, did we change the hearts of the militant jihadists? The first opportunity for our military wondering outside of their armed camp, they get shot at, and suffer casualties. The simple reason that we have 25 million dollars price on Osama bin Laden, and we are unable to get him, is because his Islamic appeals to his fellows Moslems is more stronger then the infidel's 25 millions. They hide him, and protect him. DO I think that Saddam may have a similar scheme and a similar cooperation from the Tekriti villigers? You damn right he will! So how are the poor US soldiers going to go door to door looking for him? Well, just like the Israelis did in Ramallah, they opened tapped doors, and got killed. Then they learn, and blown the house with kids in it, and got blasted for being savages all over the world media? Our aims here of killing a Dictator that have been in power for that many years, and has a large network of bunkers, and escape plans is very misguided. Our best hope is for one of his security people killing him, other wise, we are going to have a big dangerous job.
You know, the only reason we are not dumping on N. Korea is because we are concerned about them killing some S. Koreans and Japanese. How is it that we don't care about the lives of the Jews? Or a better question how is it that militant Jewish leaders don't care about the death of their own people en mass in this unprovoked attack on a mad man, Saddam? The way I see it, we have already scared the sh#t out of him, at this point, we MUST not place him in a corner where he has no option but take as many people with him. We should open a window of opportunity for a negotiated deal. The negotiation must be allowed to be led by nonbelligerent party like the UN, Germany, Japan, Australia,....The SOB has been in his box for ten years, why poking at a hornet nest? Yes political leaders have gas masks and better protection than the rest of the population. The testosterone of these leaders also play a factor in playing this game of death. Evil leaders like Kim, Saddam, the Sudanese strongman, Qaddafi, ….need to be confronted and dislodged, but not to the extent of mass hysteria, or door to door search.
Isolating these tyrants works. In addition to helping the opposition may work. Yes we have been doing just that for decades against Castro, and he held on. But also if we pushed him into a corner like we are planning to do with Saddam, he may cause lots of unnecessary killings too. At the end, which is better having this communist piece of sh#it ruling this Island all these years without the devastation of massive killings, or bombing the infrastructure of that island, and going door to door looking for bearded bum. May be women in positions of power are better for us since they don’t have this testosterone problem?
All these Washington "Talking Heads", are doing a disservice to the US. Our State Department is an occupied territory of influence peddlers! The White House advisors are mostly ignorant jerks! How difficult is it to tell the stupid king of this stinking desert: LOOK, IF YOU PROSELYTE IN OUR PRISONS, YOU MUST ALLOW US TO DO THE SAME IN YOUR COUNTRY. IF YOU WANT US TO RESPECT THE WAY YOU DRESS, YOU MUST RESPECT THE WAY WE DRESS, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD MOSQUES ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY, YOU MUST LET US BUILD CHURCHES, AND SYNIGOGUES ALL OVER MECCA. Now, is that too unfair? or too difficult a concept for the White House or the State Department to come up with? WE can also say, if you do not agree, we will demolish all the Mosques that used any Saudi funds!
These losers destroyed the WTC, causing our economy to suffer a trillion dollar loss or more, and when we asked for fingerprinting visitors, they immediately retaliated saying WE WILL ASK THE AMERICANS TO BE FINGERPRINTED! Now for more than thirty years these ragheads have been building mosques and proselytizing in our cities openly, one administration after the other, and no one ever thought of approaching them with the concept of a TWO WAY STREET!
Ross Perot said once, and I am going to say it again, I wish we had politicians that say to the foreigners: "I am not for sale at ANY PRICE!!"
Robert Strauss, got two millions to help these losers soften their image? He does not care if his country goes to hell, as long as he got some money? Where is our media? They should pounding on Bob Strauss doors calling him TRAITOR, they should be pounding on Kissinger's door, and George Mitchell's door demanding to know who they work for, and shame them as traitors! If I was in president, on Sept 12/2001,
I would have taking over Saudi Arabia, throw all these ragheads in prison, and pump free oil untill I get one trillion dollars worth, then I would leave that stinking desert to some democratically elected government. You can't cause us to lose one trillion dollars, and we are the strongest nation on earth, and we just simply take it the a##, because you paid some influence peddlers in Washington a few million dollars to lobby for your crown!!
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