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Muslims aghast at mosque that slurs Christmas
National Post ^ | 2002-12-31 | Adrian Humphreys

Posted on 12/31/2002 7:16:26 AM PST by Lorenb420

Muslim leaders across Canada yesterday denounced a Christmas Day message from a Toronto mosque that said wishing someone Merry Christmas is comparable to congratulating them for committing murder or engaging in adultery.

The message, sent via the e-mail message service of the Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque, equates celebrating the Christian Christmas holiday with activities that are against Islamic law, including murder, illicit sex and drinking alcohol.

The message also said Muslims who participate in the Christian celebration by extending their greetings imply support for Christianity.

Several Muslim leaders spoke out sternly against the message.

The Muslim leaders condemned the message for not only contradicting the teachings of Islam but for building walls between Muslims and Christians in Canada.

"It is a ridiculous statement and doesn't follow Islamic teaching. Whoever says this is saying it out of ignorance of his or her own religion," said Mohamed Elmasry, national president of the Canadian Islamic Congress.

Dr. Elmasry said extending Christmas greetings to Christians is not only the polite and neighbourly thing to do but is completely appropriate within Islam.

"We might inform others that, although we don't celebrate Christmas, we would be happy to accept your invitation to a Christmas party at work or in the neighbourhood or to a family or friend's home," he said.

Iskandar Khan, spokesman for the British Columbia Muslim Association, said the statement does not represent the view of the vast majority of Muslims.

"That is an extreme statement. We disagree with the sentiment of the statement. Muslims, as a whole, do recognize the holidays of the other faith groups," Mr. Khan said.

Mahmoud Haddara, spokesman for the Muslim Association of Newfoundland and Labrador, said not only is it appropriate to extend Christmas greetings to Christians, he also opposes the movement to take Christian themes out of Christmas celebrations in Canada.

"These people [who wrote the message] are out to lunch. As Muslims, we appreciate Christmas is a Christian event and we wish our neighbours the best wishes for the event because it is part of the celebrations for their religion."

Dr. Elmasry said Islam allows followers to marry Jews and Christians and in Canada there are many multi-faith families, including his own.

"My wife used to be Roman Catholic and converted to Islam. My kids have uncles and aunts who are Christian and we wish them Happy Christmas and they also wish us Happy Eid [an Islamic holy day]," he said.

A spokesman for the Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque did not return phone calls yesterday. A spokesman for the mosque told a Toronto newspaper, however, that the e-mail was sent by a junior employee without approval from the leadership and that it does not represent the official position of the mosque.

The Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque was founded by the Somali Islamic Society of Canada, a charitable organization formed in 1990 to help Somali Muslims preserve their religious identity.

The organization purchased nearly an acre of land on Bethridge Road in Etobicoke in 1996 and built the mosque, which caters largely to Muslims with a Somali background.


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1 posted on 12/31/2002 7:16:26 AM PST by Lorenb420
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To: Lorenb420
Are the moslemaniacs pulling in their devil's horns a bit?

Or merely running scared?

2 posted on 12/31/2002 7:21:24 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Lorenb420
... "That is an extreme statement. We disagree with the sentiment of the statement. Muslims, as a whole, do recognize the holidays of the other faith groups," Mr. Khan said ...
Like, say, Yom Kippur?
3 posted on 12/31/2002 7:25:56 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: Lorenb420
Dr. Elmasry said Islam allows followers to marry Jews and Christians and in Canada there are many multi-faith families, including his own. "My wife used to be Roman Catholic and converted to Islam...

An interesting multi-faith marriage.

4 posted on 12/31/2002 7:26:55 AM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Lorenb420
We disagree with the sentiment of the statement. Muslims, as a whole, do recognize the holidays of the other faith groups," Mr. Khan said.

Isn't that big of him?

5 posted on 12/31/2002 7:31:10 AM PST by Hildy
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To: DWSUWF
Are the moslemaniacs pulling in their devil's horns a bit? Or merely running scared?

Either way, let's wish them all a Happy Rammalammadingdong.

6 posted on 12/31/2002 7:32:40 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Hildy
I've been criticizing American Muslims, who live in a safe, free society where they can speak out without being lynched, for not condemning Islamic violence. Now someone in Canada has done so. At least it is a start.
7 posted on 12/31/2002 7:34:13 AM PST by Inkie
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To: Lorenb420
Why can't these folks say the same sort of thing about all the calls to murder Christians? When they do, with the same sort of publicity, I'll take their protests more seriously.
8 posted on 12/31/2002 7:38:10 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Lorenb420
Several Muslim leaders spoke out sternly against the message. "The Muslim leaders condemned the message for not only contradicting the teachings of Islam but for building walls between Muslims and Christians in Canada.

"It is a ridiculous statement and doesn't follow Islamic teaching. Whoever says this is saying it out of ignorance of his or her own religion," said Mohamed Elmasry, national president of the Canadian Islamic Congress."

These are the kinds of statements we can appreciate hearing from "main stream" Muslims, if there is such a thing. This would be the first glimmer I have seen, if so.

The Quaran seems to say many things that contradict each other.

9 posted on 12/31/2002 7:38:32 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Inkie; laurav
I've been criticizing American Muslims, who live in a safe, free society where they can speak out without being lynched, for not condemning Islamic violence. Now someone in Canada has done so. At least it is a start.

This is honestly the first time I have heard of a Muslim Cleric call for tolerance of any other religion.

10 posted on 12/31/2002 7:40:41 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: stop_fascism
Dr. Elmasry said Islam allows followers to marry Jews and Christians and in Canada there are many multi-faith families, including his own. "My wife used to be Roman Catholic and converted to Islam...

An interesting multi-faith marriage.

I rarely read of such a marriage where the wife does not convert to Islam as a PRECONDITION to the marriage. The most important thing is that she breed more Muslims. Kinda crude but that's the level Islam operates on. Islam is about quantity not quality. 1.3 billion strong and growing is what they like to crow.

Orthodox Jewish men will do the same but how many Orthodox Jews are on this planet? 4 million?

11 posted on 12/31/2002 7:46:22 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Asclepius
I think we are misinterpreting the true intent of the islamists here. The message from the mosque was most likely only intended to encourage the use of the proper multi-cultural seasonal greeting:

Happy Hanna-Dan-a-Wanzaa-Mas!

This all inclusive greeting is the only culturally sensitive way to express felicitations of the season.

trek

12 posted on 12/31/2002 8:05:11 AM PST by trek
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To: Asclepius
Like, say, Yom Kippur?

Ofcourse! Don't forget the muslim fireworks of Yom Kipur war.

13 posted on 12/31/2002 8:30:26 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Lorenb420
"My wife used to be Roman Catholic and converted to Islam..."

She, Of course, HAD to convert!

They probably hired a PR firm which told them the way to fool Americans is to lie to them and tell them what they want to hear, you know, like the politicians of both parties do. Just throw us a "crumb" of decency and we feast as if it is a banquet. Until these devils condemn the murdering of civilians, I will not believe anything they say.
14 posted on 12/31/2002 8:31:38 AM PST by poet
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To: Lorenb420
Aha! One of the few interdenominational discussions in which Muslims are unequivocally tolerant. What a refreshing change.

Too bad it took 15 months. Nevertheless, I encourage Muslims willing to live side-by-side with other faiths to stand up to terror supporting Islamists. If you can recapture your religion from them, the destruction of Islam will not be required.

Good luck!

15 posted on 12/31/2002 8:32:39 AM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: poet
If this woman at all understood her Christian faith, and then let it go for Satan and a man, she will spend eternity in the lower portions of hell.
16 posted on 12/31/2002 8:35:31 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Lorenb420
Bwhahahahah Islam has slaughtered more people in the name of its god than any other religion on the planet today... This is comical.
17 posted on 12/31/2002 8:43:14 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: RaceBannon
Yes, and we should give him a chance rather than jump on him because of all his violence-loving peers. It is a little ray of hope in a situation where I am quite pessimistic.
18 posted on 12/31/2002 8:51:10 AM PST by Inkie
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To: RaceBannon
"This is honestly the first time I have heard of a Muslim Cleric call for tolerance of any other religion"

and his life thread is what? I have lived all over the moslem world and this kind of statement makes your life thread short. Follow the news and chart his progress.

dozer7
19 posted on 12/31/2002 9:52:17 AM PST by dozer7
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To: Inkie
I've been criticizing American Muslims, who live in a safe, free society where they can speak out without being lynched, for not condemning Islamic violence. Now someone in Canada has done so. At least it is a start.

They did. It's just that no one wanted to listen. Do a Google search on "muslim condemn terrorist attacks" and you'll find there was plenty of condemnation. Whether you believe they are sincere is up to you.

Bring on the flames. I don't care. I'm just sick and tired of hearing that tired old story (Muslims are silent on terorism), when even a cursory search proves that to be untrue.

And another thing: For those mainstream Muslims who ARE silent, maybe it's because they know they practice a completely different religion than the radicals, and DON'T OWE YOU an apology. Just as maintream Catholics don't feel responsible for IRA bombings in N. Ireland.
20 posted on 12/31/2002 10:12:29 AM PST by jenny65
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