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To: Wonder Warthog
"...Well, if the "clone" is delivered in the USA, it is an American citizen..."

Agreed...

'Born in the USA' is a slam dunk.

Native-born clone? You're a citizen... Maybe a cutting-edge-weird citizen, but a citizen nonetheless.

The tempest in a teapot here stems from the purported clone's birth in a foreign clime... To a US citizen.

We pay these idiots to do their job, with sufficient intelligence and clarity of mind so that they don't go into a loop when presented with a new wrinkle of (what will someday be known to be) fairly minor proportions.

Human cloning will happen, even if this story turns out to have been bogus.

It's not the Xeroxing of a mind or a soul. It's merely the encore of a genome.

It's just technology, gadgetry... Not an evil (like Abortion) in and of itself.

The smart monkeys will stay as far as they can ahead of the curve and try to maximize the good while minimizing the evil that flows from it.

4 posted on 12/31/2002 5:36:23 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: DWSUWF
There is something very wrong with attempting to make a copy of one's self. The danger is that the cloned would try to impose her personality on the clone.

Aside from the repugnant genetic manipulation this allows, I think it wise to understand that the last time this debate surfaced, about 2 years ago, a huge number of people seemed to think this was a swell idea, since they would have SPARE PARTS!

I can foresee an industry of clone centers where the clones are kept in case they are "needed."

The cult that supposedly has produced this child speaks of transferring one's memory and personality to the clone, in an effort to attain immortality.

All in all, human cloning should be banned.

5 posted on 12/31/2002 5:43:21 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: DWSUWF
Children born abroad to two US citizen parents, one of whom has resided in the US prior to the birth of the child, continue to be US citizens at birth, and need take no special actions to retain citizenship.

Children born to one citizen parent and one foreign national will obtain citizenship at birth if the citizen parent resided in the US for five years before the birth, with two of those years after the age of 14. The child does not need to take any special action to retain US citizenship.

Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen mother will be US citizens if the mother resided in the US for one year prior to the birth of the child.

Children born out of wedlock to a US citizen father will acquire US citizenship if the following conditions are met:

  1. There is an established blood relationship between the father and the child,
  2. The father was a US citizen at the time of the birth,
  3. The father has agreed to financially support the child until it is 18, and
  4. Before the child is 18 it is legitimated, or the father acknowledges paternity in a document signed under oath

6 posted on 12/31/2002 5:50:59 AM PST by Procyon
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To: DWSUWF
"We pay these idiots to do their job, with sufficient intelligence and clarity of mind so that they don't go into a loop when presented with a new wrinkle of (what will someday be known to be) fairly minor proportions. Human cloning will happen, even if this story turns out to have been bogus. It's not the Xeroxing of a mind or a soul. It's merely the encore of a genome. It's just technology, gadgetry... Not an evil (like Abortion) in and of itself."

BEWARE!!! You are injecting rational thought into an emotional argument area. DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!!!

Seriously, your last point is my SINGLE reservation about cloning--that it will foster abortions of the "extras"--although I "do" think that the current efforts are premature and a rush to get into the history books. I would prefer to see a lot more animal research done before trying anything with humans.

9 posted on 12/31/2002 6:08:40 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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