The Stupidity of Dialogue With Islam: Is "Allah" interchangeable "God" of monotheists

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | 12-30-02 | Serge Trifkovic

[anniegetyourgun]

For this reason also, God highly exalted Him (Jesus), and bestowed on Him (Jesus) the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil. 2

[SJackson]

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[joesnuffy]

Jesus is God
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
Jesus told his disciples, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
(John 14:6). He did not merely point the way to God. He himself claimed to be the only way to the Father and the
source of eternal truth and life.
Muhammed says that "Jesus and he are equals"
Muhammed says that "God has no son and that there is no Son or Holy Spirit"
Muhammed says "Jesus did not die upon the Cross"
Muhammed says "Jesus Christ was not raised from the dead"
Muhammed says that "Jesus Christ is not the ONLY way whereby man must be saved.."
yet this is precisely what Jesus said about himself...
Therefore .....the God of Christians is NOT the same god -(Allah) of Islam...imo

John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

[yoe]

Matthew 7:15-23, here you will find Jesus gives us the guideline for determining false prophets. Many think Muhammed is just that.

[egarvue]

I have a devout (but non-radical, non-America hating) Muslim co-worker. He cannot fathom the concept of the Trinity, apparently it is common practice in Islam to teach that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all worship the same God of Abraham (just that Christians and Jews are heretics). In discussions with him, I have tried to explain that we really don't worship the same God, because Islam rejects the Trinity (and therefore the saving work of Jesus Christ as the Son of God incarnate). I have tried to present the Gospel to him, but he cannot comprehend it - Allah is a Law-based god, vengeful, distant, and uncaring. My Muslim friend relys on Allah to be "merciful" if he breaks the Law (sins), but nowhere in the Koran does Allah guarantee forgiveness and salvation for Muslims, like Christ does for Christians. Being a Muslim is a crapshoot - you hope Allah woke up on the "merciful" side of bed the day you die...

[fporretto]

But really, it's much simpler than that. Religion is and should be a matter of each individual's relationship with God, however conceived. Christianity is intensely individualistic, as is Judaism. While requiring us to act with charity and mercy toward our fellows, Christianity does not put our moral or spiritual standing at their mercy; that remains entirely in each man's own hands.

Islam is the furthest thing from individualistic. It emphasizes collectives, and promotes collectives above the individual, in several ways. Perhaps most ludicrous is the notion that, by wrapping a Muslim's corpse in pigskin, a non-Muslim can deny the Muslim his admission to Paradise.

The idea that Smith's actions can deny Jones his salvation, a salvation he might have earned justly, by deeds committed after Jones's death, no less, is so deep into the province of collectivist lunacy that it requires no analysis.

It doesn't end there, of course. Islam's creed incorporates a belligerent political ideology, includes dispensations to Muslims to use violence and deceit against non-Muslims whenever they, or Islam, will benefit, and sanctifies the enslavement of women and non-Muslim captives. To call such a creed a "religion" is to drain the word of any objective meaning it has to a Western ear.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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[mc5cents]

Read this

[mc5cents]

And this

[philosofy123]

Is the God of the Jews is the same God of the Christians? Is the God of the Mormons is the same God of the Christians? My answer is NO. The same as the God of the Buddhists, or the Hindus, the Bahai.....

Fundamentally, every religion MUST assert itself to be the true path, otherwise, it would not survive. It is similar to a football team that goes around saying that they are bunch of wimps, and the all other teams are better? How many fans can they gather? The question here must be, regardless what God or set of beliefs a person has, a religion MUST not preach killing others who don't believe in the same dogma. People MUST be free to practice whatever faith, and convert to whatever faith without fears. All religious leaders must recognize the power of religion zealotry, and be careful to teach coexistence. In my church for example, there was never ever a discussion of political issues. Also there was never, ever incitement to hate other faiths. Hence, people go on with whatever theological dogma and tradition they have, and respect others who may have different way of doing things. My priest said: You can only go to heaven through Jesus. Good for me! That Hindu guy I work with, he can go to heaven too if he believe in Jesus, or simply go to hell. Well, if his religious dogma is say, if you eat beef you go to hell, he may think of me that I am going to hell? The fact is no one know for sure who is right and who is wrong. I am going to eat meat, and take a chance on burning to eternity for not following the Hindus dogma, and he is going to be vegetarian, and take a chance on that Jesus believing thing? At the end, we must recognize that Islam must be reformed to comply with these fundamental requirements for a civilized society. If its leaders and followers refuse to reform, it must be banned from civilized countries. Its adherents must not be a allowed free travel, or be accepted among the rest of the peace loving beings.

[egarvue]

Compound oxymoron. Who would believe any muslim who would say this?

Because, contrary to your breathtaking ignorance, I know the man. He is a patriotic American, his family legally immigrating to America from western Pakistan when he was 8. The fact that he's a Muslim doesn't stop him from being an American, even if he is (God help him) a Bears fan...

[Valin]

a Bears fan... ?
sigh Becareful my friend as many freepers know all muslims are evil and must die.
< /sarcasm>
You know sometimes I really wish I could join the nuke Mecca crowd, you don't have to think just shout kill em all.

[egarvue]

Yeah, I know. I don't like his religion, and he doesn't like mine, we're upfront about it. But we both agree that its nice to be in America, where we're free to believe as we please, as opposed to hellholes like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. The Hindu guy two cubicles down jokes with us that Muslims and Christans must be poor, because we can only afford one God...

[anniegetyourgun]

The Trinity ("Let US make man in our image....") is a concept that comes early in scripture....in the beginning, in fact! There we see the Spirit, The Father, and The Son working as One. The concept is not one we will fully comprehend (until we are with Him), but we can apprehend the idea. Best example I have found (which I use with little children) is your hand: hold up three fingers and ask, 'how many hands am I holding up?" They'll say three, but you point out that while there are three fingers showing, there is only one hand. So it is with God - three in One. Your friend probably doesn't have the faith of a child though, so this simple image may not work.

As for Islam, you're right - it's a capricious and arbitrary god they serve. The evil one goes by so many names......

[egarvue]

I agree. There is no easy way to teach the Trinity, though; it is one of the infinte mysteries of God that we will only know after death. Being a Lutheran, I was raised with the knowledge of the Athenasian Creed (here's the creed from someone's website), which does a decent job of laying it out. My Muslim friend tried to use math in trying to comprehend the Trinity - he said how could 1+1+1=3? (a typical question from non-Christians) I laughed, who said God was using addition? Why not multiplication, because 1x1x1=1!!! He grew kind of quiet after that one....

[HamiltonJay]

Quite simply, No.

Allah, was a construct of a pedophile and an opportunist, who used claims of Allah's will to not only slaughter, but to take the wife of one of his Sons.... Allah, is simply Satan wearing a smile. It is not the Judeo Christian God.