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Defeating Gay Arguments with Simple Logic
Abiding Truth Ministries ^ | 2002 | Scott Douglas Lively

Posted on 12/29/2002 8:59:44 AM PST by scripter

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41 posted on 12/30/2002 11:22:09 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Born in a Rage
THE REISMAN & JOHNSON REPORT

The homosexual newspaper, The Washington Blade (January 31, 1992), in "Time to Give Up Fascist Tactics," written by ACT UP leader and founder, Eric Pollard reports:

I sincerely apologize for my involvement in and my founding of the AIDS activist organization ACT UP/DC. I have helped to create a truly fascist organization that I now believe to be among the greatest threats to our freedom and the healing of our people ....[the strategies for which] Mein Kampf...was studied as a working model..

Pollard’s remarks give pause. The underside of homosexual HATE CRIMES are those Pollard hints at, which go unreported. These crimes are documented as involving both intimidation and physical attacks on Christians, Christian churches seen as "homophobic" and others who suggest the possibility of a fascist homosexual agenda.

Moreover, the macho nazi male, bedecked often in nothing but his Luftwaffe cap, high black boots, whip and chest strap is a telling symbol which appears regularly in the homosexual press and at homosexual gatherings, "gay rights" parades and gay culture in general. This nazi image illustration, in black and white and in color, is a regular feature of homosexual "In Search Of" advertisements and in photographs. A copy is included here of such a homosexual "nazi wannabe’" ad in a recent, Advocate Classifieds magazine but this same illustration appears regularly either nude with a massive phallus, or with a spike studded cover over the phallus. I have also censored this illustration to enable a larger reading audience.

Fact: While there is not one Jewish magazine, newspaper or advertising brochure in which such a nazi symbol would ever have been displayed, Nazi garb and nazi symbols are an accepted value in homosexual life, in "gay culture."

43 posted on 12/30/2002 1:31:05 PM PST by Remedy
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To: madg

THAT "Reisman?"

THIS REISMAN

Dr. Judith Reisman

Dr. Reisman is president of The Institute for Media Education, author of the U.S. Department of Justice, Juvenile Justice study, Images of Children, Crime and Violence in Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler (1989), Kinsey, Sex and Fraud (Reisman, et al., 1990) and Soft Porn Plays Hardball (1991), Partner Solicitation Language as a Reflection of Male Sexual Orientation (w/Johnson, 1995), and Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences (1998, 2000) and is a news commentator for WorldNetDaily.com.

She has been a consultant to three U.S. Department of Justice administrations, The U.S. Department of Education, as well as the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Dr. Reisman is listed in numerous Who's Who biographies such as: Who's Who in Science & Engineering, International Who's Who in Sexology, International Who's Who in Education, Who's Who of American Women and The World's Who's Who of Women. Her scholarly findings have had international legislative and scientific import in the United States, Israel, South Africa, Canada and Australia, while The German Medical Tribune and the British medical journal, The Lancet demanded that the Kinsey Institute be investigated, saying:

The Kinsey reports (one in 1948 on males and the companion five years later) claimed that sexual activity began much earlier in life.... and displayed less horror of age differences and same-sex relationships than anyone at the time imagined. It was as if, to follow Mr. Porter again, "Anything goes". In Kinsey, Sex and Fraud, Dr. Judith A. Reisman and her colleagues demolish the foundations of the two reports ... Kinsey et al ... questioned an unrepresentative proportion of prison inmates and sex offenders in a survey of "normal" sexual behavior. Presumably some at least of those offenders were also the sources of information on stimulation to orgasm in young children that can only have come from pedophiles--or so it must be hoped. Kinsey.... has left his former co-workers some explaining to do. The Lancet, (Vol. 337: March 2, 1991, p. 547).

BOOK PUBLICATIONS
Images of Children, Crime and Violence in Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler, US Dep. Justice Grant No. 84-JN-AX-K007, 1986, 1989, 1990.
Kinsey, Sex and Fraud, Judith Reisman et al., Lafayette LA: Huntington House, 1990.
Soft Porn Plays Hardball, Lafayette: LA. Huntington House, 1991.
Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, The Institute for Media Education, Crestwood, KY., 1998, 2000.

EDUCATION
Ph.D. 1980 in Communications, Case Western Reserve University
M.A. 1976 in Communications, Case Western Reserve University

SELECTED INCLUSION/CITATIONS IN SCHOLARLY BOOKS
Mack, D., (1997) -The Assault on Parenthood Simon and Schuster, (citation)
Brennen, W. (1995) Dehumanizing the Vulnerable, Loyola University Press (citation)
Zillmann, D. (1994) Media, Children and The Family. NJ: Erlbaum (article)
Ruggiero, V.R. (1994) Warning, Nonsense is Destroying America, Nashville: Nelson (citation)
Hattermer, B. (1993) Don,t Touch That Dial. Lafayette, LA: Huntington House (article)
Trento, S. (1992) The Power House. NYC: The New Press (citation)
Kincaid, C. (1992) The Playboy Foundation. Washington DC: Capital Research Center (citation)
Bolton, R. (1992) Cultural Wars. NYC: The New Press (article)
Osaka, F. (1989) Source Book of Pornography. MA: Lexington (citation)
Zimbardo, P. (1988) Psychology and Life. MA: Scott, Foreman (citation)
Mawyer, M. (1987) Silent Shame. Westchester, IL: Crossways (citation)
Burgess, A. (1986) Sexual Exploitation of Patients. NYC: Garland (article)
McCuen, E. (1985) Pornography and Sexual Violence. WI: Gem (article)
Lederer, Laura (1981) Take Back the Night. NYC: Bantam (article/interview)
Skirball Museum (1974) A Walk Through the Past. CA: Hebrew Union College (epic poem)

GUEST LECTURER
Princeton University American Society of Criminology
Georgetown University North Carolina Psychiatric Association
American University Israeli Army Air Force Academy, Israel
University of Jerusalem International Assoc. of Police Women
University of Haifa & Tel Aviv University Criminal Division/Executive US Attorney Office
Rutherford Institute NOVA, NCASA, CCAVE, NCTV, NETΣ
Texas Woman,s University Federal Bureau of Investigation
Clarkson College Vice and Police Organizations
Notre Dame Universi
ty Child Protection Organizations
University of Kentucky United States Air Force Academy, Colorado, etc.

ACADEMIC POSITIONS
Distinguished Visiting Faculty, Pepperdine University, June 2003
Adjunct faculty, George mason University, 1990
Research Full Professor, The American University, 1983-85
Asst./Assoc. Prof., (Martze) University of Haifa, Israel, 1981-83

EXPERT WITNESS: COURT, MILITARY, CIVIC HEARINGS
Invited Paper: HR 3300: The Military Honor & Decency Act (Pornography Law) May 1996
Invited Paper: South Africa Film and Publications Bill of 1995 (Pornography Law) 1995
Briefed: Selected Lansing Michigan Legislators (Pornography Law) May 1994
Briefed: Kirkland & Ellis (Re: Oral Argument, United States v. Knox) April 1994
Briefed: Australian Parliament Standing Committee on Social Issues (Media Effects) 1992, 1994
Invited Paper: Ontario Human rights Commission (Pornography Effects) 1993
Invited Paper: Senate Committee on Armed Services (Homosexuality) July 1993
Briefed: Army Chief of Staff Gordon Sullivan, Senator Malcolm Wallop (Homosexuality in the Military) December 1993
Invited Paper, Testimony: Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces 1992
Briefed: Inspector General Roland Griffith (Homosexuality) December 1993
Expert Research Younger et al., v. Stroh (Federal Court Sex Harassment) 1992
Testified: Australian Parliament, Senate Select Committee (X & R Rated Effects) April 1992
Invited Paper: Office of US Surgeon General (Mass Media Harms) March 1992
Testified: State of Georgia Senate Ed Committee (Kinsey-Sex Ed Curriculum) February 1992
Testified: Hamilton County Prosecutor,s Office: OH (Mapplethorpe Trial) August & October 1990
Testified: City Council; Newport News, VA (Nude Dancing & Public Order) June 1986
Invited Paper: US Attorney General Commission on Pornography: NYC (Effects) January 1986
Testified: US Attorney General Commission on Pornography; Miami (Effects) November 1985
Invited Paper: US Attorney general Task Force, Domestic Violence: DC (Effects) August 1985
Testified: Michigan State Senate Juvenile Justice, Corrections: MI (Effects) October 1980

SELECTED GRANTS/POSITIONS
Bureau of Justice Assistance, US Department of Justice: Grant Reviewer 1991
HHS: Administrator for Children, Youth, and Families: Grant Reviewer 1991
Eastern Division Vice Investigators Association: Inservice Trainer 1987-89
HHS Dept. of Substance Abuse Prevention: Research Paper 1989
Skaggs Foundation: Visual Literacy Training Grant 1987-89
Department of Education: "Drug Free Schoolso/oo Grant Reviewer 1987
Department of Education: "Drug Free Videoso/oo Grant Reviewer 1985
Georgetown Pediatrics Department: Inservice Training Seminars Grand Rounds 1984
FBI Academy: Erotica/Pornography Effects: Inservice Training Seminar/Video 1983
OJJDP Missing Children - Serial Murder Task Force: Inservice Trainer 1983-85
DoJ Office of Juvenile Justice: Principal Investigator, Pornography, Media Research 1983-94
Israel Science Ministry Department of Sex Education: Kinsey and Inservice trainer, Media 1980-83
Scholastics Magazine, NYC: Art & Education Writer, Producer 1970-80
Milwaukee Public Museum: Art/Anthropology Television Writer, Producer 1970s
Cleveland Museum of Art: Art/Head Start, Education Videos/Captain Kangaroo 1970s
Los Angeles Skirball Museum: History/Archeology Educational Videos 1966-81
vCaptain Kangaroo CBSTV: Segment Producer, Performance Artist 1976-1982

PAST/PRESENT ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER
Founder, Institute of Media Education and the Family, Israel
Bereaved Parents Association (Juvenile autoerotic deaths), AZ
Paul & Lisa, Inc. (Child prostitute rescue organization), CT
Accuracy in Academia, Washington, D.C.

SELECTED JOURNAL ARTICLES
The Journal of Human Sexuality, (Lewis & Stanley) 1996
Law & Justice: The Christian Law Review, (UK) 1995
Collected Papers from the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality Conference, (NARTH) July 1995
Ethnology and Sociobiology (USA) 1984
New Universities Quarterly: Culture, Education, and Society (UK) 1981
Journal of Educational Thought and Practice in Collective Settlements (Israel) 1983
New York University Review of Law and Social Change (USA) 1978-79
Women Speaking (UK) July-September 1978
"A Walk Through the Past,o/oo Los Angeles Skirball Museum, (Hebrew Union College) 1974

PAST/PRESENT SELECTED MEMBERSHIPS
Women in Neuroscience
The American Statistical Association
National Association of Scholars
National Council on Family Relations
American Public Health Association
The New York Academy of Sciences
The International Communication Associations
The National Black Child Development Institute
Research Council on Ethnopsychology
The Society for the Scientific Study of Sex
American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers
The World Association of Infant Psychiatry & Allied Disciplines
American Association for the Advancement of Science
National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (Fellow)

MEDIA/PRESS CITATIONS AND APPEARANCES
Ted Beahr Movieguide
The Lancet (British Medical Journal)
German Arts Television
Larry King Live
The American Spectator
International German Medical tribune
Dutch Television
Donahue
The Weekly Standard
Science
Faith Daniels (NBC)
The Today Show
Fidelity
The Scientist
Entertainment Tonight
People are Talking
The Australian
Archives of Sexual Behavior
Geraldo
Sally Jesse Raphael
The London Times
The (British Physicians) Quarterly
Jerry Springer
Crier & Crier
TIME
Newsweek
Jenny Jones
Crossfire, CNN
New Dimensions
700 Club, CBN NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, BBC
The Harvard Peninsula
The Los Angeles Times
The Washington Post
The Washington Times
The New York Times
Reader,s Digest, April 1997 and The National Review, May 19, 1997 "Cover Storyo/oo WORLDNETDAILY.com, Correspondant

SELECTED MEDIA CO-AWARDS
Learning Magazine, Best Filmstrip of Year, w/ Scholastics 1981-82
US Industrial Film Festival Gold Camera w/ Scholastics 1982
Dukane Award Outstanding Creative Sound Films w/ Scholastics 1982
US Industrial Film Festival Silver Camera w/ Scholastics 1982
ACT Award Children Music w/CBSTV Captain Kangaroo 1976-79
1st Place Local PSA/TV series w/ Jewish Family Service Assoc. 1974

SELECTED PAST/PRESENT HONORS
"Save Our Children Scientist Of The Year For 1993,o/oo The Save Our Children National Alliance
Who,s Who in Science and Engineering International Who,s Who in Education
The World Who,s Who of Women International Who,s Who in Sexology
Who,s Who of American Women Two Thousand Notable Americans International Book of Honor

45 posted on 12/30/2002 6:48:32 PM PST by Remedy
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To: scripter; EdReform

Consider: a person who remains unpersuaded by a reminder of the obvious truth has revealed himself to be an intellectual reprobate for whom facts are ultimately meaningless.

What may be gleaned from this exchange is that one can never truly come to a common understanding with a "gay" sophist, since he or she cares only about winning and not about the truth.

Yet there are many people who merely parrot "gay" rhetoric and who are really victims of sophistry, not sophists themselves. These people are persuadable.

Why Abortion Isn’t Important

Here is one of the (to my mind) greatest philosophers produced by England in the last century, telling people-especially other philosophers-that sometimes it is better to walk away than to argue. Why? Because a person's conscience can become so corrupt, and lead to such equally corrupt rationalizations, that to engage them in serious argument about those rationalizations is both pointless-being unlikely to have the slightest impact on their thinking-and, what is worse, dangerous-bringing the thinker of good will into serious danger of having his own conscience perverted by the sophistries of the other.

46 posted on 12/30/2002 6:55:33 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Born in a Rage
Typical homofascist behavior: Anyone who dares to disagree with them, are "hateful", "biggoted" and "intolerant".

How long until the Gaystapo demands that the authors of artciles like the one above are jailed? Oh, they already do.
47 posted on 12/30/2002 7:07:12 PM PST by Guillermo
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To: GWELO
To me it's Queers. The term of Homophobic is idiocy. I am not afraid of them or their kind but just simply don't like them or their practices. To suggest that I am afraid is total Bull $hit. Full Stop.
48 posted on 12/30/2002 7:14:14 PM PST by jws3sticks
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To: Remedy
Here is one of the (to my mind) greatest philosophers produced by England in the last century, telling people-especially other philosophers-that sometimes it is better to walk away than to argue. Why? Because a person's conscience can become so corrupt, and lead to such equally corrupt rationalizations, that to engage them in serious argument about those rationalizations is both pointless-being unlikely to have the slightest impact on their thinking-and, what is worse, dangerous-bringing the thinker of good will into serious danger of having his own conscience perverted by the sophistries of the other.

I really like it. I just decided this morning to walk away from a discussion for very much the same reasons.

49 posted on 12/30/2002 7:48:04 PM PST by scripter
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To: Clint N. Suhks
There have been homosexuals around since the beginning and if this guy or you or anybody else doesn't approve of it that's fine and everyone is entitled to their viewpoints about what it is and isn't....but, to say it is comparable to having sex with an animal or to bring up any nutso homosexual person as a person who typifies all homosexuals is bigoted. There are nutso heterosexuals too. All of the 'arguments' the author suggests are based on ideas the author has and nothing is "scientific" about them at all.
50 posted on 12/30/2002 7:59:47 PM PST by Born in a Rage
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To: RAT Patrol
People can disagree about whatever they want - no problemo. I don't agree with having homosexual groups in schools and various gay issues but I also don't agree with labeling anyone who is gay or bisexual as some sort of nutcase. I think the science part of homosexuality may have something to do with pheremones (I just know I'm spelling that wrong - oh well). Pheremones are what they say make people attracted to one another.
51 posted on 12/30/2002 8:05:57 PM PST by Born in a Rage
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To: Guillermo
And I guess anyone who disagees with you or the author is part of the "Gaystapo" or a "homofacist"....hahaha, don't make me laugh!!!!
52 posted on 12/30/2002 8:09:54 PM PST by Born in a Rage
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To: Born in a Rage
Coming in, and calling someone a hatemonger for disagreeing with the homsoexual agenda is a typical tactic of the Homofascists.

If you engage in their tactics, yes, I will assume you are one of them.
53 posted on 12/30/2002 8:40:51 PM PST by Guillermo
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To: Born in a Rage
There have been homosexuals around since the beginning blah, blah, blah

True, as there have been other paraphilic disorders, nothing notable here.

but, to say it is comparable to having sex with an animal

Well if you believe in the myth of “sexual orientation” then we can compare the behaviors.

or to bring up any nutso homosexual person as a person who typifies all homosexuals is bigoted.

It’s the same behavioral disorder, and yes, they are related, and NO, the recognition of that behavior is not bigoted Susan.

There are nutso heterosexuals too.

Yes that might be true but comparing right behavior with wrong behavior is a pathology in and of its self. There are a lot of nutso soccer players too.

All of the 'arguments' the author suggests are based on ideas

YES, it’s called logic, a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration

the author has and nothing is "scientific" about them at all.

OK, what scientific study proves homosexuality is not a disorder? I have the DSM II, you have nothing. What do you have; the Hooker study? The APA did NOT use science to prove the paraphilic disorder of homosexuality was not a pathology, it used politics. POLIITICS IS NOT SCIENCE.

54 posted on 12/30/2002 9:59:57 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: madg
We KNOW that the Hooker study was one of six studies used during the decision-making process…

Hehehe…

Adding (debunked) Hooker + (debunked) pedophile KINSEY + (Rejected interpretation by Beach) Ford and Beach + Politics = NO SCIENCE

but then you immediately say thereafter that science wasn’t used. Well… which is it?

The process of using faulty research and politics in STILL not and never has been legitimate science. You see Science is like math, using even just one wrong component in an equation makes the whole equation, well……WRONG! Not to mention adding any, and I repeat for the hearing impaired, ANY political influence in a scientific decision is corrupt methodology.

(something which everyone but you agrees)

Sorry but as much as your subconscious needs to justify your perversion, homosexuals (you), (some, not all) of a politically motivated branch of a medical organization, the liberal media and the unsuspecting sheeple of the world is NOT, and I repeat for that little voice in the back of your head [the sole and sad reason you are here on FR to justify] IS NOT “everyone.”

57 posted on 12/31/2002 9:45:06 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: madg
Oh, THAT Judith Reisman: ”This is not science, it's vigilantism: paranoid, pseudoscientific hyperbole with a thinly veiled hidden agenda. This kind of thing doesn't help children at all..." - Dr Loretta Haroian

Oh that Dr Loretta Haroian, the one who advocated for "Sexual Rights of Children," . Let’s put a feather in the homosexual/pedophile link bonnet, shall we?

59 posted on 12/31/2002 10:03:54 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: madg
and peer-reviewed evidence that supports your assertion of sexual orientation as a pathology?

Sorry, it's called the DSM II, did you miss that or where you just hoping others did??

60 posted on 12/31/2002 10:06:39 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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