At the rate that these cases are happening, it is only a matter of time before DNA testing is mandated for all births.
1 posted on
12/26/2002 8:34:05 AM PST by
BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
The law is simple, womens' rights and mens' responsibilities".
2 posted on
12/26/2002 8:43:55 AM PST by
Righty1
To: BuddhaBoy
What is so sad about all of this is that children are no longer valued. They are reduced to a bargaining chip.
Truly sad.
I know there are exceptions on either side, but the vast majority of these "adults" are behaving badly.
3 posted on
12/26/2002 8:46:12 AM PST by
mombonn
To: BuddhaBoy
The title is a little misleading:
30% of Paternity tests prove children fathered by other men.
That's 30% of the cases that go to DNA / blood testing, not 30% of the whole population. I'm sure you didn't mean to insinute this, about did a spit take when I saw it.
4 posted on
12/26/2002 8:47:02 AM PST by
lelio
To: BuddhaBoy
That's what you risk when you marry a girl that is willing to sleep with you before marriage.
There's no difference between being unfaithful to a current husband and being unfaithful to a future husband except the nature of the excuse.
To: BuddhaBoy; RogerFGay
The quantity of states banning paternity fraud is growing, and I believe Vermont even fines deceptive mothers (or is trying to). We're getting increasingly organized to end this injustice.
I suppose it's no longer possible to create a paternity fraud "ping" list, but at least a keyword category can be created under "paternity fraud" that interested folks can search for from time to time.
To: BuddhaBoy
The REAL LAW says,
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
To: BuddhaBoy
Patrick McCarthy was floored to learn after his divorce that his 14-year-old daughter had been fathered by another man. He was even more stunned to find out that he would still have to pay $280 a month in child support.In a sane society, that should be grounds for the man to walk away without any legal obligation.
To: BuddhaBoy
What is missing in the arguments advanced by the duped fathers is that the biological father is shirking his responsibility. It seems to me that this is more an issue of making the real father come across with the child support. That would also neutralize the oppositions' position.
To: BuddhaBoy
At the rate that these cases are happening, it is only a matter of time before DNA testing is mandated for all births. And that would be an excellent idea. The man no longer has to hear the emotional "you don't really love me because you don't trust me" noise anymore and the woman would KNOW that if she runs around and gets pregnant she will be found out.
We desperately need accountability put back into our marriages
God Save America (Please)
11 posted on
12/26/2002 8:50:02 AM PST by
John O
To: BuddhaBoy
30% huh? Makes sense. I've always believed I am 30% Estonian.
To: BuddhaBoy
But women's groups and child advocates are alarmed by a trend that they say could harm children. A rat is a dog is a pig is a feminist (...with profound apologies to rats, dogs and pigs).
To: BuddhaBoy
One more reason why I plan to live and die as a single.
16 posted on
12/26/2002 8:54:47 AM PST by
xrp
To: BuddhaBoy
DNA testing at birth is the way to go. Just mandate it, so the guy doesn't have to be the jerk to ask.
It is a neccessary evil for several reasons. The greatest is health. How often are transplants needed? How often are genetic disorders passed down? It is better for the health and safety of a child to know who the biological father is, in case a situation like that arises.
Conversely, a man learning he isn't the father at that time, should be allowed off the hook then, but if he decides to stay with the mother, and the child, he can't let himself off the hook later. The argument is true. A man can't be the parent of a child, then 10 years later, say, oops, not mine, cya.
The DNA testing would accomplish the goals both sides claim to have. Child being supported, no fraud. If we had rationality in government, this would happen. Every kid deserves to know who is their father.
To: BuddhaBoy
"30% of Paternity tests prove children fathered by other men...."
As Yogi says..."90% of the game is half mental"
24 posted on
12/26/2002 9:02:53 AM PST by
TRY ONE
To: BuddhaBoy
Http://www.PaternityFraud.com is run by the abovementioned Carnell Smith of Georgia, who wants back-payments to which he's entitled. They just got a law enacted in Ga. but it apparently doesn't entitle him to the back payments.
To: BuddhaBoy
I'm glad I went and had a vasectomy after we were done having kids - if the wife ends up pregnant boy is she in trouble. :-)
26 posted on
12/26/2002 9:04:23 AM PST by
gura
To: BuddhaBoy
The only real solution is to mandate DNA testing at all births. That way, everyone is apprised of what is what.
To: BuddhaBoy
Just so men know their place in the world, remember this:
- Pro-choice only refers to the woman. The child and father have no rights.
- A pregnant woman can force a man to be a father, but a man cannot force a woman to be a mother. She may terminate a pregnancy at any time, but a man has no means of compelling her to save a child he wants.
- To some women you are worth nothing more than a donor and checkbook
- The courts do not really give a damn about the child or father
- The courts do not care if you are not the father once you have begun paying child support
- It is much easier to be declared an "unfit father" than an "unfit mother"
- As far as everyone else cares, there is no special bond between father and child. A child without a mother lives a tragic existence. A child without a father is going to be just fine
To: BuddhaBoy
I'd like to throw an example in here, a little twist, just for the sake of discussion on this pressing issue. Anyone may address, though it is directed first at BB.
Example: fortyish millionaire male with a lifetime of enjoyable serial monogamy with a number of concubines, contented enough, to share in his prosperity and his stated infertility.
His latest acquistition, rescued from a (maybe) abusive relationship, comes with her a girl child, not his biologically. Sort of a double rescue from life's Humane Society, supported in his household like a convenient combination of pet and personal appliance. My, and he does fancy himself the hero.
For about three years now, he's been playing Daddy. No marriage, but establishing a personal and familial bond, particularly in the lonely heart of this child. Promises of college. Enjoying himself immensely with the novelty but, alas, he bores easily. He will, I am sure, someday max out his quick fortune through self-indulgence, and this child is just another indulgence.
Tell me, upon his inevitable boredom with this arrangement, does he owe anything morally to this child, when he eventually sends her away? Legally would be something else entirely. Just curious. Does he just get to use her and send her back to the Pound? I'm not too interested in Mommy, here. Just the child plaything. BTW, this is a fertrue example.
34 posted on
12/26/2002 9:12:40 AM PST by
Mamzelle
To: BuddhaBoy
California Gov. Gray Davis vetoed a paternity fraud bill, saying the measure would only delay child support collection and let some biological fathers wriggle out of parental responsibility.
Gray Davis logic! Determining who the child is somehow lets some biological fathers wriggle out of parental responsibility.
40 posted on
12/26/2002 9:25:45 AM PST by
gitmo
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