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To: gcruse
p>Now stick with me here. Your posts had everything to do with unions - now don't try to backtrack.

If you want to debate - let's do it - but first you have to admit or 'own upto' what you said.

You made the statements the unions priced themselves out of the job market, etc.

When I asked what about non-union jobs - you said the article was talking about unionized industries.

I replied I interpreted the article as speaking of jobs in general - so what about non-union jobs. You took exception to a word I used and accused me of being a democrat and a leftie.

I asked again what about non-union jobs and you reply your post was not about union jobs -

I keep trying to get you back to your original post and my original question. If you refuse to do that - then let's just don't debate.

(Unions and their goons drive up the cost of their labor to the point it becomes more productive to have it done out of the country. Then they wonder why their jobs go away. Funny how it works.)
Now could we try again - since all the jobs lost were not union jobs - to what would you attribute their loss?And you are right your last post was not about unions - It was just more attacks and obfucation.

23 posted on 12/26/2002 4:10:15 PM PST by nanny
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To: nanny; gcruse
Do ya'll feel that this was a fairly written article, depicting the scene as it exists today?
Yes or no.
24 posted on 12/26/2002 4:20:44 PM PST by dtel
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To: nanny
p>Now stick with me here. Your posts had everything to do with unions - now don't try to backtrack.

        The post you refer to had nothing to do with unions, but with whether anyone
         'deserves' not to lose their job if they haven't done anything 'wrong.'

If you want to debate - let's do it - but first you have to admit or 'own upto' what you said.

            If you are going to continue to lie, there will be no discussion.  The last
             post  suggests that with your view on jobs, you are closely associated
            with union membership.  Are you?

You made the statements the unions priced themselves out of the job market, etc.

When I asked what about non-union jobs - you said the article was talking about unionized industries.

                 The companies in the article, as I mentioned in another post, are
                  heaviliy unionized, ie, lumber, steel, smelting...

I replied I interpreted the article as speaking of jobs in general - so what about non-union jobs. You took exception to a word I used and accused me of being a democrat and a leftie.

               The belief that you deserve to keep a job because you didn't do anything
                wrong when a company restructures is a leftist, union mentality.

I asked again what about non-union jobs and you reply your post was not about union jobs -

                     No one except the self-employed 'deserves' their job.  Do you get it yet?

I keep trying to get you back to your original post and my original question. If you refuse to do that - then let's just don't debate.

                   This hasn't been a debate.  This has been you making excuses for
                    union excesses driving basic industries out of business in the US.


Now could we try again - since all the jobs lost were not union jobs - to what would you attribute their loss?And you are right your last post was not about unions - It was just more attacks and obfucation.

                 You haven't been attacked, just your silly notion that someone who
                  puts a lot of money at risk to create wealth somehow owes you
                  a job.  And I take it that you either have been a union member, are
                  one, or are married to someone who was.
23 posted on 12/26/2002 6:10 PM CST by nanny

26 posted on 12/26/2002 4:29:26 PM PST by gcruse
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