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Washington Post: CIA interrogations verging on inhumane
Ha'aretz ^ | Last update - 08:08 26/12/2002 | Reuters

Posted on 12/25/2002 10:39:28 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl

WASHINGTON - CIA interrogators have been using "stress and duress" techniques on captured enemies in Afghanistan that blur the line between legal and inhumane, the Washington Post reported on Thursday.

The Post described a cluster of metal shipping containers it said constituted a secret CIA interrogation center at Bagram Air Base, headquarters of U.S. forces hunting al Qaeda operatives and commanders of the ousted Taliban militia.

Captives who refused to cooperate were sometimes kept standing or kneeling for hours, in black hoods or spray-painted goggles, the Post said, citing intelligence specialists said to be familiar with CIA interrogation methods.

At times they were held in awkward, painful positions and deprived of sleep with a 24-hour bombardment of lights - subject to what are known as "stress and duress" techniques, the report said.

Those who cooperated were rewarded with "creature comforts" as well as feigned friendship, respect, cultural sensitivity and, in some cases, money, from their interrogators, it said.

On the other hand, some who did not cooperate were turned over - "rendered," in official parlance - to foreign intelligence services whose practice of torture has been documented by the U.S. government and human rights organizations, the Post said.

"In the multifaceted global war on terrorism waged by the Bush administration, one of the most opaque - yet vital - fronts is the detention and interrogation of terrorism suspects," the paper said.

U.S. officials have said little publicly about the captives' names, numbers or whereabouts, and virtually nothing about interrogation methods.

But the Post said it had gained insights thanks to interviews with several former intelligence officials and 10 current U.S. national security officials - including several people who said they had witnessed the handling of prisoners.

"The picture that emerges is of a brass-knuckled quest for information, often in concert with allies of dubious human rights reputation, in which the traditional lines between right and wrong, legal and inhumane, are evolving and blurred," the Post reported.

The U.S. government publicly denounces the use of torture. But each of the current national security officials interviewed for the article defended the use of violence against captives as just and necessary, the Post said.

"They expressed confidence that the American public would back their view," it added. The CIA had no comment on the article, Mark Mansfield, a spokesman, said late on Wednesday night.

The off-limits patch of ground at Bagram was described by the Post as one of a number of secret detention centers overseas where U.S. due process does not apply, where the CIA undertakes or manages the interrogation of suspected terrorists. Another was reported to be Diego Garcia, a British-owned island in the Indian Ocean.

According to U.S. officials, nearly 3,000 suspected al Qaeda members and their supporters have been detained worldwide since Sept. 11, 2001. About 625 are at the U.S. military's confinement facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Some officials estimated that fewer than 100 captives had been rendered to third countries. Thousands had been arrested and held with U.S. assistance in countries known for brutal treatment of prisoners, the officials were quoted as saying.


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To: Cinnamon Girl
CIA interrogations verging on inhumane

Good. I'm sure they are more productive that way.

21 posted on 12/25/2002 11:22:16 PM PST by paul51
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To: Cinnamon Girl
If "inhumane" interrogations of the recognized bad guys save one innocent man, woman, or child, I am all for it. Although I've never seen someone tortured, and try to be a sympathetic man, I have no reservations about supporting what's needed to stop the slaughter of non-combatants. If that makes me a bad person in the eyes of God - so be it.

Anyone who puts their naive "feelings for humanity" before their loved ones and the innocent is a fool not to be suffered.

22 posted on 12/25/2002 11:26:08 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: Recovering_Democrat; All
Attention Washington Post:

Journal Reporter Missing

BY DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
Friday, January 25, 2002 2:00 p.m. EST

Daniel Pearl, a reporter for The Wall Street Journal, is missing in Pakistan.

According to Steven Goldstein, a spokesman for Dow Jones & Co., the newspaper's parent, the reporter didn't check in with his editors as expected Wednesday night, and as of late Thursday hadn't been heard from.

Surely islamic terrorists would know human rights violations when they see them.

23 posted on 12/25/2002 11:45:31 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
This article is interesting; it is almost like a trial balloon to see if the public is ready for priming against the methods the u.s. government uses against the enemy in this war.

The Post doesn't get it. People EXPECT the government to use sodium penethol on the psycho arabs who work with al-qaeda, not to refrain for fear of upsetting the NYT.WP types. Once again, the WP builds support for the bush admin. out of sheer cluelessness.

24 posted on 12/25/2002 11:48:04 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Frankly, WAR is Hell on Earth. One side "wins" and the other side loses. The WAR against terrorism is a serious subject --- something that the pc crowd will never be able to intellectually grasp.
25 posted on 12/25/2002 11:49:42 PM PST by Cindy
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To: A Navy Vet
Oh, I forgot on this Christmas night...let the enemies of civility know that 10's of millions of Americans will show them the way not to paradise, but to eternal damnation for the innocent decent people who flung themselves out of windows so as not to suffer the agony that radical Islam inflicted. Make your excuses about the alleged imperialistic tendencies of America, but know that...

...we are coming for you; your future is limited and bleak. Change your intolerant beliefs or be irradicated! You called down the thunder...well now you got it.
Poke the dragon and prepare to reap the fire!

26 posted on 12/26/2002 12:06:47 AM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: Cinnamon Girl
And being burned alive by airliner fuel in the WTC was humane? There is nothing too cruel for these terrorists.
27 posted on 12/26/2002 3:37:03 AM PST by abclily
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I read a while back that it's much worst than this. We're turning the terrorists over to countries like Egypt and just standing by and watching the torture.

Necessary tactics when we're threatened with attacks on cities and citizens.
28 posted on 12/26/2002 4:05:05 AM PST by The Raven
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To: Cinnamon Girl
>>On the other hand, some who did not cooperate were turned over - "rendered," in official parlance - to foreign intelligence

Oops...I missed this in the first read (see my post above) now I see it.....
29 posted on 12/26/2002 4:07:17 AM PST by The Raven
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Well, as long as they're "just on the verge" I don't see the problem. For that matter, I don't any problem with torturing them like our American servicemen have been tortured by our past (& present) enemies.
30 posted on 12/26/2002 4:12:35 AM PST by chuknospam
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I'd like to see if the idiot writer of this article ever got taken hostage by these monsters, how concerned he will be about making sure they get treated nicely. By the way, who wrote this article (there's no name)?
31 posted on 12/26/2002 4:17:20 AM PST by jporcus
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To: jporcus
Check out Bob Woodward as the lead writer of this article. I think that he got singed by his lib brothers in the media like Frank Rich for his book and is now trying to make amends.
32 posted on 12/26/2002 4:23:42 AM PST by Thebaddog
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To: jporcus
Let's see: The article is based on UNNAMED sources. The Post has gained INSIGHTS...

They call this responsible journalism?

33 posted on 12/26/2002 4:24:23 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: Cinnamon Girl
After 9-11 I don't think we should be concerned overmuch with the legality of CIA interrogations of suspected terrorists. Those who plot to blow up women and children and other living things contrary to the Washington Post's Save Your Friendly Terrorist propaganda piece are entitled to NO human rights whatsoever because observing human rights is not their objective in the first place.
34 posted on 12/26/2002 4:33:10 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I'm curious if the Wash. Post write articles about how Saddam Hussein tortures people routinely - frinstance an oil executive who was stomped to death and then dragged behind Saddam's son's car (can't remember if the exec's relatives were killed too), a sister of a defector was sexually abused and the video was sent to the defector, instances where relatives were killed or tortured for the "offense" of one member - etc,etc,etc. Or how about when Saddam's daughters and sons in law defected, were tricked back into the country and then the sons in law were killed? How did Amnesty International like that?
35 posted on 12/26/2002 4:34:20 AM PST by First Amendment
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To: Cinnamon Girl; dighton
"CIA interrogations verging on inhumane..."

Poke her with the soft pillows ...

Fetch the comfy chair ...

36 posted on 12/26/2002 4:40:17 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Captives who refused to cooperate were sometimes kept standing or kneeling for hours, in black hoods or spray-painted goggles, the Post said, citing intelligence specialists said to be familiar with CIA interrogation methods.

LOL! "Standing for hours." This is on the verge of inhumane?

Kripes, I stand for hours where I work, and I don't crack! Although, it would be kinda nice to where some spray-painted googles so the early evening sun that shines right in thru the window directly laser beam pin-pointing my retnas, doesn't blind me for life!

Talk about pussy-whipped!

37 posted on 12/26/2002 5:05:27 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: sirchtruth
How many people in this country are really going to be worried about a bunch of suspected and likely terrorists being forced to stand in uncomfortable positions for hours and sleep deprived for 24 hours at a time? A handful of bleeding hearts who are going to be the first to cower in the face of another terrorist attack.
38 posted on 12/26/2002 5:13:58 AM PST by Peach
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To: Cinnamon Girl; All
America: the light of the world, a moral beacon to humanity, mankinds' last great hope, blah blah blah . . .

So nice to see the cavalier approval of torture by so many "good" Americans - makes me feel real patriotic. And the ingenious rationales: "It's ok if wedo it because we're perfect and war is hell and we were victims and it's done for a good reason . . ."

Any "moral superiority" this nation enjoys is a function of our refusal to engage in certain practices, practices we rightly deem beneath us. To approve of torture in any form is to abandon all claims to moral altitude.

BTW - History testifies to the utility of torture - for getting people to admit to things they didn't do! Of what use is a type of interrogation that can compel the subject to admit she's a witch, or a wrecker of the latest five-year agricultural program?

I can't believe this is even being discussed. What's next? Are some of you going to reconsider the issue of cannibalism?

39 posted on 12/26/2002 5:14:23 AM PST by Petronius
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To: Petronius
Peddle that whine to the families of the 3,000 who died on 9/11. It's a war. People get hurt. Things break.
40 posted on 12/26/2002 5:16:45 AM PST by AppyPappy
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