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To: BJungNan
I don't hate America, and I have been here a little to long to be a DNC plant.

Look at what she said, don't read some loud, crass, overblown partisan editorial, look at what she said. She didn't say "praise Allah, Allah Akbar, DEATH TO AMERICA!

There is a reason Bin Laden has so much support, there is a reason people refuse to believe he is responcible for 9/11 and there is a reason people are happy to kill for him.

All the Senator did was explain WHY Bin Laden is supported, and what America can do undermine his support.

It's a battle for the hearts and minds of the pathetic starving illiterate masses, it's no differant than dropping candy bars wraped in american flags over occupied Europe during the second world war.

The entire problem here is people have become to eagar to be offended, taking anything out of context just so they have an excuse to go ranting and raving. "Oh, Trent Lott is the reincarnation of Hitler, blah blah blah", "Some democrat trashes some obscure Bush policy "Senator _______ supports the terrorists, ship them to Gitmo, try them for treason, blah blah blah." People support Bin Laden because he does nice shit for them, "Oh, she is a member of Al Quada, she supports Bin Laden, off to the electric chair, blah, blah, blah

PEople don't support Bin Laden because they think he has a cool beard and they aren't born hating America.

If we don't win their hearts and minds, they are ripe for the picking by the terrorists.

56 posted on 12/23/2002 9:43:20 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
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To: ContentiousObjector

Okay, Let's look at exactly what she said.

Here is a transcription from a recording of Sen. Patty Murray's remarks at Vancouver's Columbia River High School on Wednesday, Dec. 18: 

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(This) is very highly debatable. I don't know which way I fall on it. But I want you to think about it. 

Osama bin Laden has been very, very effective being we've got to ask, why is this man so popular around the world? 

Why are people so supportive of him in many countries? He has been in many countries that are riddled with poverty. 

People don't have phones, no sewers, no roads, no schools, no health care, no facilities just to make sure their daily lives are OK. 

He's been out in these countries for decades building roads, building schools, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. It made their lives better. 

We have not done that. We haven't been out in many of these countries helping them build infrastructure. 

How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan? 

The argument back is that is going to cost a lot of money. Absolutely right. 

And the second argument is that we have schools here and health care facilities here that are really hurting. Should our tax dollars go to pay for facilities in third world countries? 

No easy answers, but expensive both ways. But war is expensive, too. 

Right now we've decided that war is the way we are going to go, and your generation ought to be thinking about whether or not you believe that perhaps we should be better neighbors out in other countries so that they have a different vision of us. 

It's going to cost money. You'll have to think about whether you want to do that or not, about whether we have the money to do that here. But it is a debate I think we ought to have." 

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Besides this women being totally and completely wrong in her facts, she is indeed praising the man responsible for the deaths of 3000 Americans as being a good humanitarian. In no sense of the term is this man a humanitarian.

Osama Bin Laden is a mass murderer. Shame on her - and you - for not recognizing this quite simple fact.

57 posted on 12/23/2002 10:20:41 PM PST by BJungNan
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