Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.
Posted on 12/23/2002 12:09:50 AM PST by JohnHuang2
SEATTLE – A potential Republican challenger to Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., in 2004 is calling for the lawmaker to apologize for telling students last week that Osama bin Laden's nation-building tactics should be emulated by the United States.
"I think the statements she made about bin Laden are shocking, and they're bizarre, and they're uninformed," said Rep. George Nethercutt, R-Wash., in an interview with WorldNetDaily. "To try to suggest that bin Laden has a history of generosity and kindness that outweighs his hatred for America and his vows to destroy our country is just nuts."
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash. |
Meanwhile, teachers from around Washington state have informed a Seattle talk radio host that Murray had made the same comments about bin Laden to their students. But despite comparisons by many of her constituents to Sen. Trent Lott's recent controversial remarks, Murray's statements appear to be generating minimal response from her Senate colleagues.
Last Wednesday, at the conclusion of a session with students at Columbia River High School in Vancouver, Wash., Murray said she wanted to bring up a further point to add to their discussion about alternatives to war.
"We've got to ask, why is this man so popular around the world?" she said in reference to bin Laden, the accused mastermind of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?"
Murray said, according to the Vancouver Columbian newspaper, that bin Laden has been "out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."
The second-term senator then asked the students to ponder: "How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"
Nethercutt said he usually does not speak out against anyone in his state's delegation to the nation's capital.
 Rep. George Nethercutt, R-Wash. |
"But this one just hit me wrong because of the lasting implication it leaves with students who are impressionable," Nethercutt told WND. "And to have a senator suggest that Osama bin Laden is a good guy and the U.S. hasn't done anything to help people is just nonsense.
He believes an apology is in order.
"I think she should make clear to those students that she's not criticizing the United States and praising Osama bin Laden, which to me it's clear that she did," Nethercutt said.
Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes contends that bin Laden was not building schools and health-care facilities but a terrorist infrastructure. Any benefits accrued by the people of Afghanistan or Sudan were done to buy off his protectors, he maintained in an interview with WND.
Bin Laden himself has denied that he and his followers are motivated by economic factors.
"Allah has ordered us to make holy wars and to fight to see to it that his word is the highest and the uppermost and that of the unbelievers the lowermost," bin Laden said in a 1998 interview that included John Miller of ABC News. "We believe that this is the call we have to answer regardless of our financial capabilities."
Comments heard before
Murray told the Tacoma News Tribune that she was shocked by the response to what she considered a free-ranging discussion conducted in the American spirit of free speech.
"I am astonished the Republican Party would try to spin out of control a conversation with high school students," she said. "Republicans have been trying for six months to use the war on terrorism for political purposes."
But school teachers from around Washington state say they have heard these comments before from Murray at similar gatherings of students, according to Seattle talk radio host and former Republican gubernatorial candidate John Carlson.
"She is saying these things all over the state," Carlson said on his afternoon, drive-time show on KVI radio. "A U.S. senator is misleading children about Osama bin Laden."
Carlson's caller lines were lit up from mostly angry listeners for three hours on Friday afternoon. Many insisted that Murray should resign, asserting that her remarks were more egregious than comments by Sen. Trent Lott, who consequently stepped down from his Senate majority post on Friday.
A listener from Gig Harbor, Wash., calling for Murray to resign or be recalled, said, "I don't want my daughter growing up represented by this woman."
Talk show host Lars Larson in Portland, just across the Columbia River from Vancouver, Wash., promoted his afternoon show Friday with a teaser, "Trent Lott steps aside ... Sen. Patty Murray ... should she do the same?"
On his website, Larson included a link to a recording of some of Murray's comments to the students.
Senate colleagues respond
Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, responded to Murray's remarks Friday in an interview with National Public Radio's Neal Conan when asked whether the uproar over Trent Lott would be a permanent problem for his party. Bennett said he thought the "fuss" would fade when the next controversy comes along.
"Today's cosmic story suddenly disappears when you turn to tomorrow's," Bennett said. "I read on the press now, for example, that Patty Murray, the senator from Washington, has praised Osama bin Laden in terms almost similar to the ones that Lott used for Strom Thurmond – that is, she said bin Laden is a humanitarian, and we are not, and that's why we're in trouble."
Bennett said he believed "we'll begin to see people parsing that statement and move on to the next crisis. Now Patty's not the majority leader, so maybe nobody will pay that much attention to what she said. ?"
Both a Republican and a Democratic senator minimized Murray's remarks during an interview with Brit Hume on Fox News Sunday yesterday.
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., said he hoped that Murray would rephrase her comments.
"The idea that Patty Murray thinks we should pattern ourselves after bin Laden is not – I don't believe she thinks that at all," Biden told Hume. "I think it's a very bad choice of words."
Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., given an opportunity to respond, said:
"Well, clearly what Senator Murray and all the rest of us ought to be talking about is our own public diplomacy. What do we do in that area – I wouldn't want to use Osama bin Laden as she did – and she probably regrets doing so – as sort of a benchmark. That is a tragic thought."
Hume then pressed Lugar, reciting Murray's subsequent elaboration of her remarks.
"Well, hold on just a second, senator," said Hume. "Let me just – let's show you what she actually did say when pressed about this in reaction. She said, 'Osama bin Laden is an evil terrorist who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans. Bringing him to justice, dismantling his terrorist network and protecting our nation from further attacks must continue to be our government's highest priority.' She then goes on to say nothing that said – that retracted any of the stuff she said about his humanitarian philanthropy, if you will, and so on. So, the statement then to some extent stands. What about that?'
Lugar replied that in further discussions, he supposed that Murray "would say more."
Hume told Biden that what he and Lugar were saying reminded him of the initial mild reaction to Sen. Lott's remarks to Strom Thurmond.
"Different issue, of course," Hume said to Biden. "Different arena. But a forgiving attitude toward a colleague who you feel, perhaps with some empathy, may have slipped up. But I wonder if a slip-up of this kind, portraying this man as a humanitarian benefactor and going on to say the United States, in effect, is not, is something that can be tolerated in a member of the [Democratic Party] leadership."
Murray was chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in the 107th Congress.
She was elected to the Senate in 1992 as a self-described "mom in tennis shoes." She got her start in politics in 1980 when anger over Washington state's cancellation of a pre-school program her children attended prompted a drive to the capital Olympia to lobby for funding. She says she hit a brick wall when a lawmaker said, "You can't make a difference. You're just a mom in tennis shoes."
Murray then led a statewide campaign to restore the funds and eventually served in the state legislature before election to the U.S. Senate.
With all due respect to your opinion, which I happen to share, she screwed-up BIG TIME by adding the "America doesn't do that" part.
That is simply moronic and obviously wrong. She deserves to have her brains bashed-in (OK, OK, her empty skull) with that part of her comments. I hope we can use it to help defeat her. And any, and all initiatives she might attempt to take in the future BEFORE we defeat her.
That being said, I don't think she's "Anti-Western" for saying such...Just STUPID. Too stupid to hold public office. Much like Trent Lott was too stupid to lead our Senate Majority. (Not too "Racist" to lead, like the Race Huslters claim, too STUPID).
Merry Christmas.
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Such is the attraction and worth of Free Republic.
Merry Christmas.
You are dead wrong on that, and so is she.
I have PERSONALLY worked in famine relief programs in both SUDAN and SOMALIA. Both are Muslim countries with close association to OBL. Both countries have benefited HUGELY by aid from USA.
The USA provides aid virtually EVERYWHERE IT IS NEEDED.
To state that the hearts and minds of the Muslim world have been won or lost based on the relative good being done by the various players, is COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF THE FACTS.
The hearts and minds of the Muslim world have been won, pricely because those hearts and minds live IN the Muslim world. And that is a world which poisons those hearts and minds from birth with hate.
I am completely fed up with those in this country who have had the OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THE TRUTH, continuing to ignore it.
Besides...There *is* a reason all those maniacs follow Bin Laden. Personally, I would like to find-out exactly why it is...Maybe we can change it once we identify it.I commented on that quote and experienced some lovely namecalling and had a whole raft of accusations directed my way. But you are young. You will learn.
By the way, despite what you suggested before, the Amish do not use bicycles.
I almost flamed you till I realized!
I commented on that quote and experienced some lovely namecalling and had a whole raft of accusations directed my way. But you are young. You will learn.
I'm probably older than you. But don't let that stop your insults.
By the way, despite what you suggested before, the Amish do not use bicycles.
That's funny...I live SMACK in the middle of them and am dodging them on bikes ALL the time. Talk about someone who needs to "Learn"...
Merry Christmas.
Don't go building up straw men by saying that people who do not agree with you are insecure. We are quite comfortable debating this subject.
And not at a just a Marvel commic book level. It is Patty Murray that started the debate at that level. The rest of us are doing our part to elevate the debate and correct the record.
We are not just going to sit by quietly and only listen when a Senator says something gallatically stupid and incorrect. The debate has been that overwhelmingly against her not because we are walking in lock step but becuase she is that wrong.
That happens you know. Sometimes people are just so flat out wrong.
You might also point out that the Amish ride in cars when they need a lift somewhere and also use power tools if needed for work and the job calls for it.
I don't know if you are just repeating Murray's comments or stating them yourself. Either way, we ought to at least get one fact straight: America and the West have dumped far more aid money into the region than has Bin Laden or anyone eles.
Please, listen and get this correct. Your statement that "American aid is very limited" is completely and totally false.
You know why. You really do.
Once again, you may want to stop placing people into boxes.It's funny...I live SMACK in the middle of them and am dodging them on bikes ALL the time. Talk about someone who needs to "Learn"...
As you wish. Old order Amish disdain bicycles because the chains are "fancy". You may be experiencing the "Old Order Mennonites".
Merry Christmas to you.
Sincerely.
There are all levels of practice...Around here anyway. I dated a former Amish girl...That was interesting.
Many of them work for the "English". Some don't. Some own their own cars (And they all justify it differently). And some can only drive vehicles owned by their bosses. Some own tractors but only ones without rubber on the wheels. Some put lights on their buggys, some don't...etc, etc....
Pretty interesting group of people.
I didn't "Try to apologize" for anything, you moron
Spare me the theatrics Alice.
The first is an insult by indirectly calling me an idiot. Every post that you have written to me also carries an insult. You proclaim that I am an idiot, a moron, and then somehow question my masculinity by calling me Alice.
But regardless, I simply question the thought pattern of some people who try and compare the comments of Trent Lott (at a 100 year old man's birthday party trying to flatter him) to the comments of Murray (Senator speaking to children about the positive traits of Osama bin Laden). That's it. I probably went too far when calling you an apologist, but I see an enormous difference between attacking Murray's comments and attacking Lott for being a racist. You may not see the difference, and that's your right. But I was attacked for blasting Murray, so I will defend myself. I don't think it's the same thing. Sorry about any attack I made, the hyperbole thing was a bit immature, but I was being nit-picky after the idiot comment. Take care and happy holidays.
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Merry Christmas!
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