Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash.
Posted on 12/23/2002 12:09:50 AM PST by JohnHuang2
SEATTLE – A potential Republican challenger to Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., in 2004 is calling for the lawmaker to apologize for telling students last week that Osama bin Laden's nation-building tactics should be emulated by the United States.
"I think the statements she made about bin Laden are shocking, and they're bizarre, and they're uninformed," said Rep. George Nethercutt, R-Wash., in an interview with WorldNetDaily. "To try to suggest that bin Laden has a history of generosity and kindness that outweighs his hatred for America and his vows to destroy our country is just nuts."
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash. |
Meanwhile, teachers from around Washington state have informed a Seattle talk radio host that Murray had made the same comments about bin Laden to their students. But despite comparisons by many of her constituents to Sen. Trent Lott's recent controversial remarks, Murray's statements appear to be generating minimal response from her Senate colleagues.
Last Wednesday, at the conclusion of a session with students at Columbia River High School in Vancouver, Wash., Murray said she wanted to bring up a further point to add to their discussion about alternatives to war.
"We've got to ask, why is this man so popular around the world?" she said in reference to bin Laden, the accused mastermind of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?"
Murray said, according to the Vancouver Columbian newspaper, that bin Laden has been "out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."
The second-term senator then asked the students to ponder: "How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"
Nethercutt said he usually does not speak out against anyone in his state's delegation to the nation's capital.
 Rep. George Nethercutt, R-Wash. |
"But this one just hit me wrong because of the lasting implication it leaves with students who are impressionable," Nethercutt told WND. "And to have a senator suggest that Osama bin Laden is a good guy and the U.S. hasn't done anything to help people is just nonsense.
He believes an apology is in order.
"I think she should make clear to those students that she's not criticizing the United States and praising Osama bin Laden, which to me it's clear that she did," Nethercutt said.
Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes contends that bin Laden was not building schools and health-care facilities but a terrorist infrastructure. Any benefits accrued by the people of Afghanistan or Sudan were done to buy off his protectors, he maintained in an interview with WND.
Bin Laden himself has denied that he and his followers are motivated by economic factors.
"Allah has ordered us to make holy wars and to fight to see to it that his word is the highest and the uppermost and that of the unbelievers the lowermost," bin Laden said in a 1998 interview that included John Miller of ABC News. "We believe that this is the call we have to answer regardless of our financial capabilities."
Comments heard before
Murray told the Tacoma News Tribune that she was shocked by the response to what she considered a free-ranging discussion conducted in the American spirit of free speech.
"I am astonished the Republican Party would try to spin out of control a conversation with high school students," she said. "Republicans have been trying for six months to use the war on terrorism for political purposes."
But school teachers from around Washington state say they have heard these comments before from Murray at similar gatherings of students, according to Seattle talk radio host and former Republican gubernatorial candidate John Carlson.
"She is saying these things all over the state," Carlson said on his afternoon, drive-time show on KVI radio. "A U.S. senator is misleading children about Osama bin Laden."
Carlson's caller lines were lit up from mostly angry listeners for three hours on Friday afternoon. Many insisted that Murray should resign, asserting that her remarks were more egregious than comments by Sen. Trent Lott, who consequently stepped down from his Senate majority post on Friday.
A listener from Gig Harbor, Wash., calling for Murray to resign or be recalled, said, "I don't want my daughter growing up represented by this woman."
Talk show host Lars Larson in Portland, just across the Columbia River from Vancouver, Wash., promoted his afternoon show Friday with a teaser, "Trent Lott steps aside ... Sen. Patty Murray ... should she do the same?"
On his website, Larson included a link to a recording of some of Murray's comments to the students.
Senate colleagues respond
Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, responded to Murray's remarks Friday in an interview with National Public Radio's Neal Conan when asked whether the uproar over Trent Lott would be a permanent problem for his party. Bennett said he thought the "fuss" would fade when the next controversy comes along.
"Today's cosmic story suddenly disappears when you turn to tomorrow's," Bennett said. "I read on the press now, for example, that Patty Murray, the senator from Washington, has praised Osama bin Laden in terms almost similar to the ones that Lott used for Strom Thurmond – that is, she said bin Laden is a humanitarian, and we are not, and that's why we're in trouble."
Bennett said he believed "we'll begin to see people parsing that statement and move on to the next crisis. Now Patty's not the majority leader, so maybe nobody will pay that much attention to what she said. ?"
Both a Republican and a Democratic senator minimized Murray's remarks during an interview with Brit Hume on Fox News Sunday yesterday.
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., said he hoped that Murray would rephrase her comments.
"The idea that Patty Murray thinks we should pattern ourselves after bin Laden is not – I don't believe she thinks that at all," Biden told Hume. "I think it's a very bad choice of words."
Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., given an opportunity to respond, said:
"Well, clearly what Senator Murray and all the rest of us ought to be talking about is our own public diplomacy. What do we do in that area – I wouldn't want to use Osama bin Laden as she did – and she probably regrets doing so – as sort of a benchmark. That is a tragic thought."
Hume then pressed Lugar, reciting Murray's subsequent elaboration of her remarks.
"Well, hold on just a second, senator," said Hume. "Let me just – let's show you what she actually did say when pressed about this in reaction. She said, 'Osama bin Laden is an evil terrorist who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans. Bringing him to justice, dismantling his terrorist network and protecting our nation from further attacks must continue to be our government's highest priority.' She then goes on to say nothing that said – that retracted any of the stuff she said about his humanitarian philanthropy, if you will, and so on. So, the statement then to some extent stands. What about that?'
Lugar replied that in further discussions, he supposed that Murray "would say more."
Hume told Biden that what he and Lugar were saying reminded him of the initial mild reaction to Sen. Lott's remarks to Strom Thurmond.
"Different issue, of course," Hume said to Biden. "Different arena. But a forgiving attitude toward a colleague who you feel, perhaps with some empathy, may have slipped up. But I wonder if a slip-up of this kind, portraying this man as a humanitarian benefactor and going on to say the United States, in effect, is not, is something that can be tolerated in a member of the [Democratic Party] leadership."
Murray was chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in the 107th Congress.
She was elected to the Senate in 1992 as a self-described "mom in tennis shoes." She got her start in politics in 1980 when anger over Washington state's cancellation of a pre-school program her children attended prompted a drive to the capital Olympia to lobby for funding. She says she hit a brick wall when a lawmaker said, "You can't make a difference. You're just a mom in tennis shoes."
Murray then led a statewide campaign to restore the funds and eventually served in the state legislature before election to the U.S. Senate.
Oh, I'm still waiting for details of OBL's philanthropy.
By the way...What's the definition or origin of "Petty" when used in this context? I've never known...And always kind of wondered. Unfortunately, I only know the obvious definition of the word...Which I'm sure is not this definition.
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Geeeeze dude...You're cracking me up!! What is your obscession? Where have I claimed such a thing? (Good use of your quarter, though...It certainly started us back around).
Merry Christmas.
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I suspect the term "petty" comes from the French "petit" which is pronounced the same, but simply means smaller or lesser.
The origins of Murray's comments were that his philanthropy made people love him. That was the cause which she mentioned. You appeared to support not only the point of view that we are missing some buried reason for his support but also using Murray's comments as a springboard.
You would be precisely correct.
At present, I can think of no more a "bad thing in the world" than Osama Bin Laden. As for being offended, I am quite sure I am not nearly as offended at Murray's comments as are the relatives of the 3000 victims killed by this man.
Also, I assure you, I do have a grip. It is on reality. And the reality is that Patty Murray is making excuses for and praising a mass murderer. This while totally misstating facts regarding U.S. benevolence and the justification for our efforts - war if necessary - to root out people that see nothing wrong in piloting a plane load of innocent people in to a building.
As for your suggestion that Patty Murray is explaining geo-politics, that simply is not possible. As her comments make very clear, she does not have the capacity to engage in any such debate.
Napoleon's reach was far. Recall also, that whatever the French have become, they DID have a lot to do with the formation and training of the early American military. Lafayette, anyone?
You rightly should be flammed to hell and back for your ignorance.
The USA feeds millions of people every day, all around the world. Within the international aid community, Uncle Sam is actually referred to as "Uncle Sugar".
I know. I have several years experience working in famine relief programs, often involving the UN, usually in Africa.
To suggest (repeatedly, as it turns out) that OBL is popular because he helps people, and the USA is unpopular because it does not, IS JUST ABOUT THE MOST IGNORANT PIECE OF MINDLESS BULLSHIT, that I have ever heard spoken. Given the oceanic sesspool of that substance which eminates from the Left, it still astounds me.
Well you should be flamed to hell for attributing any validity to it whatsoever.
Since 9/11 America has lost it's god damn mind, this new political correct patriotism is a joke. This is the same liberal crap that is generated by those who dumb down our schools.
Well the childreeeeeeeen can't play dodgeball it will hurt their feelings if they lose, the childreeeeeeeen can't learn about history because bad stuff happened, the childreeeeeeeen can't learn chemistry because they will build pipe bombs, the childreeeeeeeen can't learn biology because it will offend creationists, the childreeeeeeeen can't learn algebra because it will hurt the self esteeme of those who fail.
It's the exact same crap, maybe we should just go a step further and outlaw the discussion of anything that takes place outside the lower 48 states, If we as Americans are so insecure that we can’t even discuss the intentions and appeal of the terrorists on a level more articulate than a Marvel comicbook without offending people, the terrorists are the least of our problems.
the most basic element of military strategy is “know your enemy”, I don’t like the odds of success if we can’t even discuss the matter without people being offended.
Ugh.....
Read down through the thread Poindexter...
This all started because I had the NERVE to state my opinion that calling that IDIOT Patty Murray "Anti-Western" is akin to the Race Hustlers who claim Senator Lott is a racist and should step down. When in fact, he's simply an IDIOT (And poor leader) who made a stupid (But well-intentioned) comment which opened the door for said Race Hustlers.
Hang the comments around her neck and use them to beat her over the head (And hopefully cause her to resign) but don't call her "Anti-Western". She's just of a differing set of opinions...WRONG opinions, but not "Treasoness" like some have claimed. In my opinion, anyway...
Now...Loosen that Amish Hat and get out from behind those fumes your horse is putting-off and step back into reality.
Ps...Would it be too much to ask you guys to carry an industrial sized pooper-scooper?
Merry Christmas.
No, she is not. She is demonstrating how goddam ignorant she is. She is saying that OBL is popular because of all the humanitarian aid he provides. And QUOTE...."We don't do that.".
When the truth is, the USA provides more humanitarian aid than the rest of the world combined, and OBL does exactly ZIP.
Her remarks have ZERO validity, as do yours in support of them.
He is very popular in Brazil.
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