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To: 2sheep
Da 12:10. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

As you have stated, I do understand what you are saying and agree with it to a great extent. On the doctrine of the Biblical instruction, I agree. But, you forget that I am an atheist.

As far as Christian doctrine is concerned, I think you make the mistake of using tactics of condemnation and not those of conviction. Have you the ability to understand the difference?

And please friend, the bold, italic and capitilization combinations are just too hard to read. Do use them, but more sparingly, as to make the text easier to read.

I will also refer you to Christ's message to the seven churches. Read them carefully. Christ also defined His Church in the Gospels - - 'Wherever two or more of you are gathered for my namesake, there shall I be in your midst...' This is the Church as defined by your God.

Be careful of the condemnation tactic, it lends no credibility to your argument and does not edify others' understanding. It only makes you appear as one who lusts after ecclesiastical authority.

244 posted on 12/24/2002 5:42:25 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood; ALS; DouglasKC; Eagle Eye; Captiva
>As far as Christian doctrine is concerned, I think you make the mistake of using tactics of condemnation and not those of conviction. Have you the ability to understand the difference?

I well understand the difference between condemnation and conviction.  The devil condemns falsely but conviction is what happens when the Word hits a sinful heart that should repent.  Jesus Christ said:

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Under your definition above, you would probably say he used "tactics of condemnation."  He did not and neither do we.  We just quote Him.  The Word itself, has the authority of G~d Himself.  When the Word of G~d finds no place in them, people often try to "shoot the messenger."   They crucified Jesus Christ and said He was of the devil.  He promised that they would do the same to His followers.  His true followers are those who do what He says.  When people refuse to abide by His Word, He gives them over to blindness.  It may well be that the Holy Spirit is calling to you personally (because you see some things).  Consider it.  :)  One false doctrine in the church is that people cannot be cast away so that think that gives them license to sin.  Because they embrace that false doctrine it is as though they have a bag over their head blinding and deafening to the truth.  It is a demonic stronghold in their minds.

>Christ also defined His Church in the Gospels - - 'Wherever two or more of you are gathered for my namesake, there shall I be in your midst...' This is the Church as defined by your God.

Your one verse definition of who is a Christian doesn't cut it because it ignores that fact that many who say they are Christians are hypocrites.  So one hypocrite and one true Christian standing side by side does not define who is His true church.  A broad definition of who is a Christian would be anyone inside a church, yet similarly you can be in a garage and not be a car.  Jesus said that one would be taken and one left behind.  A hypocrite is defined in Greek as "a dissembler, one who disguises or conceals himself behind a false appearance."  The L~rd can tell the difference between true and false and judges each man according to his works.  If a man does evil, he is an evildoer.  If a man is unfaithful to his wife, he is an adulterer.  If a man worship idols, he is an idolator.

Jesus fed the thousands the loaves and fishes who were there for the blessings, yet all but a few left him when He said you have to eat my flesh and drink my blood.  They didn't understand what He meant about entering into His life and walking in holiness so they departed in unbelief.

246 posted on 12/24/2002 7:00:25 PM PST by 2sheep
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