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To: DouglasKC
The point being that Christmas is the primary season (not even a day) that has replaced God's Holy days.

Since I am a rigid advocate for sola scriptura, where is your scriptural justification for this statement?

103 posted on 12/21/2002 10:41:18 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
The point being that Christmas is the primary season (not even a day) that has replaced God's Holy days.
Since I am a rigid advocate for sola scriptura, where is your scriptural justification for this statement?

God's holy days are enumerated in Exodus 34, although it's interesting that Genesis 1:14 translates a word as "seasons" that is later used to mean the feasts of the Lord.

These days were kept by Jesus (John 7:10 and various other scriptures) and the disciples and were never done away with by God or anyone else in the bible.

105 posted on 12/21/2002 10:59:08 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: LiteKeeper
Since I am a rigid advocate for sola scriptura, where is your scriptural justification for this statement?

I am an atheist. I see the current tradition of Christmas as idolatry. I won't give you a Scriptural justification, but refer you to two Christian philosophers that will...

First, Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan in 1668:

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness

Chap. xlv. Of Demonology and other Relics of the Religion of the Gentiles.

[14] An image, in the most strict signification of the word, is the resemblance of something visible: in which sense the fantastical forms, apparitions, or seemings of visible bodies to the sight, are only images; such as are the show of a man or other thing in the water, by reflection or refraction; or of the sun or stars by direct vision in the air; which are nothing real in the things seen, nor in the place where they seem to be; nor are their magnitudes and figures the same with that of the object, but changeable, by the variation of the organs of sight, or by glasses; and are present oftentimes in our imagination, and in our dreams, when the object is absent; or changed into other colours, and shapes, as things that depend only upon the fancy. And these are the images which are originally and most properly called ideas and idols, and derived from the language of the Grecians, with whom the word eido signifieth to see. They are also called phantasms, which is in the same language, apparitions. And from these images it is that one of the faculties of man's nature is called the imagination. And from hence it is manifest that there neither is, nor can be, any image made of a thing invisible.

[15] It is also evident that there can be no image of a thing infinite: for all the images and phantasms that are made by the impression of things visible are figured. But figure is quantity every way determined, and therefore there can be no image of God, nor of the soul of man, nor of spirits; but only of bodies visible, that is, bodies that have light in themselves, or are by such enlightened.

[16] And whereas a man can fancy shapes he never saw, making up a figure out of the parts of divers creatures, as the poets make their centaurs, chimeras and other monsters never seen, so can he also give matter to those shapes, and make them in wood, clay or metal. And these are also called images, not for the resemblance of any corporeal thing, but for the resemblance of some phantastical inhabitants of the brain of the maker. But in these idols, as they are originally in the brain, and as they are painted, carved moulded or molten in matter, there is a similitude of one to the other, for which the material body made by art may be said to be the image of the fantastical idol made by nature.

(Hobbes was an expert in both Latin and Greek and was fluent in them at an early age.)

Where Hobbes talks about "phantastical inhabitants of the brain," we can look at pathos in the same way. Similarly, the characters in drama or fiction are phantasms.

Pathos is very much along the same lines of the despair Søren Kierkegaard describes all throughout The Sickness Unto Death, and the following excerpt is related to Hobbes’ previously mentioned description of fantasy or ‘image of the fantastical’:

The fantastic is, of course, most closely related to the imagination [Phantasien], but the imagination is related in it’s turn to feeling, understanding, and will, so that a person’s feelings, understanding and will may be fantastic. Fantasy is, in general the medium of infinitization…

The fantastic is generally speaking what carries a person into the infinite in such a way that it only leads him away from himself and thus prevents him from coming back to himself.


133 posted on 12/22/2002 5:26:50 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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