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To: madfly
Frankly, I'm tired of the use of the term "Invasion", with all respect to Michelle Malkin.

It's not an "invasion," it's a migration or an illegal immigration.

Period.

And it's not happening because of some dark and nefarious plan of the Illuminati, it's happening because we don't have the political will to stop it.

I hope that it will become a political issue "real soon now," but I don't really see much sign of it.

An "invasion" is with tanks and troops and holding of territory. This is a migration. Such migrations have occurred from time to time throughout history; indeed, many of the peoples like the English and the Australians, and even the Americans, who are considered legitimate tenants of their lands, got where they are today, because of migrations that were somewhat resisted but inevitably and inexorably took place.

That's human history.

So what do we want to do about this one? That's the political question, but putting it in military terms is inappropriate.

3 posted on 12/21/2002 9:03:04 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
It's more like an invasion because the Mexican government is staying in control over these people. It's not like any of them read the US Constitution one day and decided they wished to be Americans, they wish to stay Mexicans, they'll continue to be governed by the Mexican government which is setting up all kinds of political branches throughout the USA.

"President Vicente Fox appointed 100 U.S. residents to advise his government on relations with the world's No. 1 economy and on policies for Mexicans living in the U.S.

The 100 advisers, a mix of academics, community leaders, business leaders and politicians, will "advise the government of Mexico on the design and formation of policies for Mexican communities in the U.S." a Foreign Relations Secretariat statement said."

These are not new Americans, they are Mexicans living in the U.S.

http://www.thenewsmexico.com/printedformat.asp?id=42430

7 posted on 12/21/2002 9:14:06 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Illbay
Putting it in military terms is not inappropriate, our sovereignty is under attack by globalist elements inside our own government and it's time to call it what it is, expose them and deal with them.

The only outrage heard is on the still free of govenment control internet and Bush is working night and day to put and end to that. When the government itself is precluding any possibility of stopping this nonsense unless it is a militia response it is a war. The first hero's of this effort are guarding the borders of private property as we sit here comfy and type, in shame and disgrace, while they pull the weight and put everything on the line including their lives. So frankly I don't give a flying monkey if you are "tired" of hearing it put in military terms.
15 posted on 12/21/2002 9:51:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Illbay
I agree that this issue should be "un-hystericalized."

But at this point, a military presence is required on the border to stop the flow of illegals from the one side, and the armed unofficial (but completely legal and understandable) re-action from the other. Both reasons are why we support a government in the first place.

The military presence may not have to be permanent. But at this juncture, the border must be stabilized, order must be restored, and we must know who is in the country, and more important who is trying to get in who should not be.

20 posted on 12/21/2002 10:26:00 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Illbay
Frankly, I'm tired of the use of the term "Invasion", with all respect to Michelle Malkin.

Frankly, I tire of liberal, neocons Republicans like you, who have taken on that kind of attitude. You are no more of a conservative, patriot than Fidel Castro. You are just another liberal in conservative clothing.

This illegal invasion and our immigration crisis is bigger that Iraq, bigger than any other issue facing this nation. The American victims of crimes, including drunken driving, and fraud caused by millions of illegal aliens out number the victims of 911 many times. 911 was more dramatic due to being caught on video tape. Should we go after the perpetrators of 911? Of course.

But are there other forms of terrorism, being perpetrated on this great country.

And people like you are just as guilty of treason as our so-called leaders that have allowed this disgrace, massive lawlessness and invasion of our borders and our sovereignty to continue.

You are in the minorty. You are a liberal, socialist, and possible a communist. Many more American brothers support me than you. No matter who you ping to this little forum.

117 posted on 12/21/2002 9:26:26 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Illbay
"It's not an 'invasion,' it's a migration or an illegal immigration...So what do we want to do about this one?"

With all due respect to red-breasted robins, would you call strangers trapsing into your living room uninvited "migration," OR an "invasion"??

235 posted on 12/22/2002 6:04:30 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Illbay
Putting it in any terms is a PC no no, self defence is a PC no no, it seems that every adverse reaction to this "INVASION" is a PC no no. (an invasion it is, please let's stop calling rape merely a unilateral sexual experience, no more wrong than right because one participant was willing and one participant opposed it, therefore 50% was welcome and 50% was unwelcome, ergo each neutralized the position of the other and nothing really happened.)

It's time for a kick arse policy against illegal entry, and those who oppose it should be considered the enemy.
241 posted on 12/22/2002 6:12:27 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Illbay
Come to El-Lay and see if it's an invasion. You might change your mind.
306 posted on 12/23/2002 12:06:47 AM PST by janetgreen
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