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judgeandjury:

My: "Americans are people who live in America."
Your: "Correction: Americans are those people who are citizens of the United States of America.

Get to the spirit of my comment. Or do you deny aspiring Americans, too? Good thing LaFayette didn't run into this sentiment in 1776. Btw, the Supreme Court long ago ruled that non-citizens are party to American constitutional rights. Do you disagree?

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Reaganwuzthebest:

You'll find most people on these threads are not anti-immigration, but against illegal immigration... The point you're missing is either we're a nation of laws or we're not... Personally I don't even see how this issue is debatable.

By the same logic, prohibition, the 55 mph, 70% tax rates, War on Drugs confiscation of property, etc. were/are not debatable simply because they were/are the law? I repeat:

malum prohibitum, non malum in se

If the law does not accomodate reality, the law loses its meaning. You'll probably think I'm suggesting we liberalize immigration. Read me carefully: I'm suggesting that we consider the effect of our laws. Tightening enforcement won't make the law anymore effective. Didn't work during prohibition, didn't work with the '55', and it don't work with WOD.

Your argument should not be against the failure of enforcement, it should be against legalized incentives for immigration. Every immigrant for himself. NO WELFARE FOR IMMIGRANTS, legal or otherwise. I know you people say this all the time. However, the anger speaks louder than the logic. The message is lost in the noise.

I was accused on this thread of somehow opposing Prop. 187. I guess that's because I said people will continue adn always try to get into this country, legally or otherwise. I am not for rewarding illegals.

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Fitz:

The answer to Mexico and all of Central and South America's problems isn't to have every last of their citizens move here... Really there is no good reason prosperity ends at the Rio Grande.

Yes. Meanwhile, nothing's gonna change down there. I know it well. The very worst problem in Latin America is unequal justice. I've seen the system at work. They are corrupt to the bone (Chile excepting). Latin America doesn't need the "Chicago Boys" or American capitalism. It needs American courts.

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Nanny:

My: Defeatist attitudes lead to defeat. If the sky's gonna fall, it's gonna fall on me without my umbrella.
Your: Sounds like some things that were probably said to the patriots in 1770 something.

Quite the opposite. The defeatist arguments of 1770 were against change. It was the patriots who spread optimisim and glory and hope. There's sad little hope on this thread.

You wrote,

Our present situation of illegal immigration has bestowed the rights of citizenship in this nation without price, burden, or sacrifice. I understand why citizenship has no meaning for many - I have always found it to be true that if you do not have to pay for something, you don't hold it dear. T

I don't know that citizenship is any easier today than ever before. Unless, of course, you were a jew on a boat in the Carribean in the 1930/40s. Too bad they didn't have the El Paso map to get in. Rich jews got in. Same thing during the 1890s. To paraphrase your Momma, same as it ever was don't make it right. Just 'cuz it aint' right don't mean it ain't happening.

I'll repeat from above, for you are absolutely correct on this: illegal immigration ought not be rewarded.