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Dixiecrats Triumphant The menacing Mr. Wilson
Reason ^ | Charles Paul Freund

Posted on 12/21/2002 6:04:48 AM PST by Valin

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Oh Yes I'd love to have a "dialogue" about race with the democrats. Please don't throw me in that briar patch.
1 posted on 12/21/2002 6:04:48 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin; WhiskeyPapa; Poohbah; Non-Sequitur
"The White Savage: Racial Fantasies in the Postbellum South."

"The White Savage Revisited: Rebel Fantasies of the Postbellum South on Free Republic".

2 posted on 12/21/2002 6:08:24 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Valin
Look, you and others need to face it: The conservative pundits cannot grapple with the Democrats on this issue.

When I saw the Lott interview on BET I just about puked.

Then, a couple of days later, I saw a "debate" between a black conservative and a black Leftist on Hannity and Colmes, and the black conservative plus Sean Hannity got their *sses kicked.

I don't know why it is, but the conservative punditry just FREEZES as soon as this subject comes up. They end up looking like fools, and the Lefties as smug "I told you so" superiors.

Why this is, I don't know. I like to think I could do better, but those who I presume are more accomplished than I with discourse and debate just fade away on the wind as soon as this topic comes up.

3 posted on 12/21/2002 6:11:23 AM PST by Illbay
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Oh Yes I'd love to have a "dialogue" about race with the democrats. Please don't throw me in that briar patch.


But I repete myself. :-)

I like to think I could do better
Of that I have little doubt.

I was talking to a guy(black) a while ago about Affirmative Action. He thought it was good, I asked him, So in other words you're saying that you're not smart enough, sharp enough to get ahead without a white man helping you?
/teachable moment
4 posted on 12/21/2002 6:30:57 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin; dighton; general_re; Orual
"If the colored people made a mistake in voting for me," he told The New York Times in 1914, "they ought to correct it."

I'm certain The New York Times, in the interest of fairness, will soon publish a long review of Wilson's outrageously racist administration.

(/sarcasm)

5 posted on 12/21/2002 6:32:56 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Valin
And many of the personnel and policies of the FDR administration (including FDR himself) were taken out of the Wilson administration. In many ways, the New Deal was Wilsonism restored.
6 posted on 12/21/2002 6:39:42 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Valin
Thanks for the excellent post.

We bring up Wilson's segregationist actions in our high school textbook at the Declaration Foundation. When I was researching the post Reconstruction period I was amazed to find out how bad Wilson had been, and angry that it had not been part of my education decades ago.

Again, thanks for the post.

Richard F.

President, Declaration Foundation

7 posted on 12/21/2002 6:41:02 AM PST by rdf
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To: aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; chookter; Valin
I concede he was menacing, but only because of constant and intolerable provocation.
8 posted on 12/21/2002 6:52:22 AM PST by dighton
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To: dighton; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; chookter; Valin
"On February 8 (1903), Woodrow Wilson, the president of Princeton, got a big laugh explaining to a meeting of alumni why this year's groundhog had returned to his burrow. It was afraid that Theordore Roosevelt would put a "coon" in."
Theodore Rex by Edmund Morris.
9 posted on 12/21/2002 7:16:04 AM PST by aculeus
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To: dighton
I concede he was menacing, but only because of constant and intolerable provocation.

Link of The Day (Allusion Division).

10 posted on 12/21/2002 7:34:49 AM PST by aculeus
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...for all the racist history of the demoncrats,,,you would think present day africanamericans would know better and not overwhelmingly vote for them en mass,,, but NOOOO,,,, theres a lesson in that somewheres...
11 posted on 12/21/2002 7:56:00 AM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: aculeus
Thanks.

A tip o' my hat to Charles Paul Freund, whose allusion, I'd wager, was no accident.

12 posted on 12/21/2002 7:57:22 AM PST by dighton
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To: aculeus
I'm certain The New York Times, in the interest of fairness, will soon publish a long review of Wilson's outrageously racist administration.

Will they have a detailed look at the part the Times itself played in creating the Wilson Administration? Wilson himself said that he owed his securing of the Democratic nomination to an earlier editorial by Charles Ransom Miller, then-editor of the New York Times....

November 5, 1912

NEW YORK TIMES EDITORIAL
Wilson First, Taft Second

The first and vital object to be accomplished to-day is the election of Woodrow Wilson. It is next in importance that Mr. Taft should lead Mr. Roosevelt in the Electoral and the popular vote. It has for many years been desirable that political power in the Nation should be transferred from the Republicans to the Democrats. The desired transfer has been postponed because the Democratic Party has wandered in strange places, has committed itself to unsafe doctrines under distrusted leaders. That has been cured. The Democracy has returned from its wanderings, it is again a united party, and its candidate, passing in triumph all the tests and challenges of the campaign, stands before the country as a man of high equipment for the office, worthy of the full confidence of the people. Without misgiving, with entire safety, and to the advantage of the Nation, the Democrats may now be returned to power. The country has made up its mind upon that point. Mr. Wilson will be elected to-day.

It is to the interest of the Nation that the Republican Party should be preserved as an organized, coherent opposition. The public welfare is not served by the collapse of a great party, by the rise of discordant factions in place of a compact organization. It is of great moment, it is of urgent need, that the Republican candidate should come out second in the poll, second, not third, in the Electoral College and in the popular vote. The party will then be in a position to rebuild, to free itself from the influences that have diminished its estate, to hold again the place in the politics and in the affairs of the Nation to which it is entitled by its historic achievements.

More urgent yet is the need that the Progressive Party and its candidates should be put in third place. It would be of ill omen, it would be a disquieting indication of unsound popular judgment, of unsteadiness, and of want of sense and responsibility in the electorate, if so large a part of the people should yield to the appeals of Mr. Roosevelt as to put him second in the polling. The essential part of his programme is the crippling and overthrow of institutions of which we are with good reason most proud, of established parts of our Governmental system which we cannot without the gravest danger permit to be effaced. That Mr. Roosevelt is unsafe in counsel and in policy is proved again by the authoritarian review of his Madison Square Garden speech in which Elihu Root, John G. Milburn, Louis Marshall, and William D. Guthrie show that in his attack upon the courts of this State Mr. Roosevelt totally misapprehended the law and absolutely misstated the facts of the cases, very important cases, upon which he based his arguments. His misstatements were not of negligible detail, but of the very substance of the litigations. Sober-minded men do not need to be warned that a man who blunders in this way with respect to decisions of courts of record, whose appeal for votes rest upon the grossest misapprehension of law and fact, cannot with safety be vested with the highest powers under our Government of laws. We are accustomed to feel and to believe that the American people are enlightened, that their collective judgment is sound. It would be a cause not merely for chagrin but for apprehension if the larger part of the great party that has so long held power should now yield to the persuasions of a man whom in their wisdom and their calmness they should reject.

13 posted on 12/21/2002 8:36:40 AM PST by general_re
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To: general_re; aculeus
Is it my imagination, or was the NYT as pompous then as now?
14 posted on 12/21/2002 10:16:30 AM PST by dighton
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To: dighton
It does have that T. Herman Zweibel feel, doesn't it?
15 posted on 12/21/2002 10:29:23 AM PST by general_re
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Yes, it does.
The Zweibel Prize

Years ago, when I was a young news-paper man and you were but a series of brutish animal impulses in your drunken great-grandfather's pants-creases, a young man appeared in my office and presented me with an investment opportunity. From simple lye-soap and sulfur, he had devised an explosive material known as the dyna-might, and he said he needed only the resources of the Onion news-paper to finance and transform his brainchild into a million-dollar empire!

Had I agreed to such an arrangement, the smoke-choked abbatoir of The Great War could have been immensely profitable for me. But I was greedy, and instead of financing the venture in exchange for a share of the profits, I attempted to physically sieze this dyna-might invention for myself—which is how I lost the hearing in my right ear, as well as half a detachment of Swiss guard and a perfectly good block of office-buildings.

Fortunately, I learned from my mistake. Some years back, I established the Zweibel Foundation to celebrate any new development in the arts or sciences which has the potential to benefit me by being marketed to all mankind. Every winter, when the Zweibel mansion lies sleeping beneath a thick, white mantle of gently falling flakes from my skin, I summon my solicitor Beavers to my bed-side, and we sift through the many candidates for the Zweibel Prize.

Through the years, I have awarded the Zweibel Prize for many inventions of unique vision. The Iron-Lung is, of course, a Zweibel Prize recipient, as is the ear trumpet. I have also awarded it for the medicinal technique of strapping the unbalanced and foreign-born to a table and subjecting them to great amount of electrical current, then thrusting an ice-pick into the corner of their eye and applying a vigorous butter-churning motion. This renders them miraculously biddable for their remaining years.

And cunning machinations! There were no end to them in the early days: the efficient mechanical-gun, the doughty strip-mine, the chastity-harness, the space-saving Reservation for Red Indians, the Chamber of Gasses. Those were heady days indeed, and by offering the Zweibel Prize in exchange for a third of the invention's gross, I made a pretty penny.

But this is a sad era for human endeavor. The well-spring of great ideas seems to have run dry, and there have been no Zweibel Prizes awarded since the development of the Electrical Truss. I have decided to retire my Prize until a more enlightened and innovative day arrives.

© Copyright 2002, Onion, Inc., All rights reserved.


17 posted on 12/21/2002 10:43:31 AM PST by dighton
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"...for all the racist history of the demoncrats,,,you would think present day africanamericans would know better and not overwhelmingly vote for them en mass,,, but NOOOO,,,, theres a lesson in that somewheres..."

Indeed there is a history lesson in there.

In the late sixties, as Jim Crow came tumbling down, lots of dixiecrats left the democrat party to become republicans (Trent Lott was one of them). Admitting these segregationist dixiecrats into the Party of Lincoln was a Faustian bargain that is now coming due.

18 posted on 12/21/2002 10:52:38 AM PST by Songtang 79
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To: Valin; nicollo
Thanks for this piece of lost American history. The New Deal generation of American historians wanted to see US history as a simple story of good and evil. In fact, good and evil and right and wrong are much more mixed together in life and history. Those who pushed for greater democracy or freedom or equality have sometimes been led by the same expansive logic to support territorial expansion, foreign adventures, more government control over people's lives, or greater exploitation of domestic underclasses.

In many ways Thurmond represented a continuation of Wilson and FDR. Strange as it may seem now, Thurmond, while definitely a segregationist, was regarded as a liberal when he first entered politics.

19 posted on 12/21/2002 11:16:12 AM PST by x
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To: x
The New Deal generation of American historians wanted to see US history as a simple story of good and evil.
I disagree. The New Deal historians did everything they could to cover up the evil of their heroes, and everything they could to uncover the evil of their enemies. Moral ambivalence was nothing of their methods. Moral obfuscation was the game. The white washing of Wilson's racism is a good start. Then we can add T. Roosevelt's extreme -- if not racism -- racial politics. Roosevelt upheld the black as a means, little more.

Above all, the New Deal historians were embittered by hatred for Harding. Harding, that blithering, blathering fool, that idiot, that corrupt ass... kicked Wilsonian democracy in the crotch. Harding killed Wilson. New Deal historians never forgave him this. Whenever they look back at the 1920s, the 1910s, the 1900s, even the 1890s (as seen in their treatment of McKinley, that nice, listless man), they framed it by Harding. To them, if a Republican led somehow to Harding, he was scum.

No, they weren't interested in good and evil. They were interested in good alone. Evil was for their enemies.

20 posted on 12/21/2002 7:06:55 PM PST by nicollo
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