Gene Study Identifies 5 Main Human Populations

New York Times ^ | 12-20-02 | Nicholas Wade

[FITZ]

I didn't do so well ----but I wouldn't have claimed I could tell too well between those three groups.

[FITZ]

There are genetic facts which are that race cannot be determined or defined genetically.

I know some of those markers are mutations that happened in one individual living in one area and then can end up in various locations but they aren't isolated to particular races ---probably because people always have mixed. I know we sometimes see cystic fibrosis in people who appear to be mostly Mexican Indian ---it could be a different mutation than the northern Europe one or the same that somehow shows up occasionally in this other group ---I'm not sure it's ever been studied.

[muir_redwoods]

You are looking for Def. #5 from your first reply to my second posting. It's the biological definition that is important here. If asians or africans were true separate races then they could not interbreed with each other or with caucasians and produce fertile offspring. Since they obviously can they are not separate races in a biological sense only as a societal construct that has no valid scientific meaning.

[Rocky]

a doctor could simply ask his race or continent of origin

What about those who are incontinent?

[nettlsome]

There is an understandable reluctance to let go of a pride and principal. We are living in the short age in which this becomes all intermingled. No government or specific power to do the oversite or preservation of race for specific attributes to mankind exists,to my knowledge, in this country. Looking at even recent history one sees the sacrifice of one's future for another one's advance but knowinging and trusting there is a connectivity on a level higher than skin color we go further down the road we believe a high road because of compassion and hope.

[A.J.Armitage]

If you have a point, make it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The fact that they can interbreed proves that they are the same species, the fact that they have certain general characteristics makes them separate races.<p.If your point was true, then dogs couldn't cross breed either.

[Pharmboy]

It is different species which typically cannot interbreed. However, several years ago it was reported that a gibbon and a siamang (related species, but with a different number of chromosomes) mated and had viable offspring.

Subspecies (or races) can interbreed and produce fertile offspring (think of dogs, cats and humans).

[Luis Gonzalez]

Hominid Species Timeline

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The chronological chart below shows the main Hominid species (apes in blue, human species in red) and their approximate relationships in time, based on currently available evidence. Below the chart are the species names in a list. Click on a species to find more information about each one.

Australopithecus ramidus -	5 to 4 million years BCE
Australopithecus afarensis -	4 to 2.7 million years BCE
Australopithecus africanus -	3.0 to 2.0 million years BCE
Australopithecus robustus -	2.2 to 1.0 million years BCE
Homo habilis -	2.2 to 1.6 million years BCE
Homo erectus -	2 to 0.4 million years BCE
Homo sapiens -	400,000 to 200,000 years BCE
Homo sapiens neandertalensis -	200,000 to 30,000 years BCE
Homo sapiens sapiens -	130,000 years BCE to present

[Pharmboy]

They're all wet...

[BnBlFlag]

"Sociologists and anthropologists assert that race is a "cultural" matter".(Paraphrase)... Who am I going to believe? Them or my lying eyes.

[Bohemund]

But Finns are not "scandanavians", but have linguistic and cultural similarities to American Indians. In Minnesota, the Finns and Chippewa got along because of this.

Finns are actually related closer to Estonians and Hungarians ( Magyar )than the other Scandanavians. The language base all three share is Finno-Ugric.

Finns are hard to pigeonhole.

Linguistically, they _are_close to Estonians and Hungarians, but, at least as indicated by Y-Chromosome haplogroup frequency, they are genetically closest to the Saami, Lithuanians and Estonians. They are fairly close to Swedes and Norwegians, but closer to Indian Uttar Pradesh Rajputs than Hungarians.

Look here.

[PatrickHenry]

Placemarker.

[RnMomof7]

Well, I'll be damned! I wonder how many Federal Grant dollars that those Professors pocketed to reach the same conclusion as my 4th grade "Weekly Reader" reached back in the dark ages. Now, let's get back to more serious stuff - like raising college tuition, so the universities can attract all these brilliant people (LOL).

You were reading my mind..millions to tell us what the naked eye has seen since the tower of Babble....surprise surprise ..I bet that a few more millions and we can find out how many genders there are

[optimistically_conservative]

Race not reflected in genes, study says

Now I'm so confused!

[Doctor Stochastic]

...we can find out how many genders there are...

Well, Latin and German have three, Spanish and French have two, and English has none.

[Doctor Stochastic]

We share 96% of our genes with chimpanzees--clearly we are the same species according to your reasoning.

Was your quote. Tallboy's comments did not say that this indicated the same species. You need read what you respond to. You should also take some statistics to see what Tallboy meant.

I made no comment about the stem article, only about your mistaken comments.

[gore3000]

Some diseases are much commoner among some ethnic groups than others. Sickle cell anemia is common among Africans, while hemochromatosis, an iron metabolism disorder, occurs in 7.5 percent of Swedes. It can therefore be useful for a doctor to consider a patient's race in diagnosing disease.

No it is not because these diseases occur in only a small proportion of those populations. The role of a doctor is to ascertain the cause of a disease and every individual is different. You cannot treat a disease statistically, you have to treat it specifically. If a genetic disease is suspected one has to ascertain whether the genetic indicators are there in the individual. Therefore this study is totally worthless for treatment of disease.

[gore3000]

Because the sites have no particular function, they are free to change or mutate without harming the individual, and can become quite different over the generations.

The above is a perfect example of evo/materialist pseudo-science. These same folk told us that the appendix, the tonsils and that all the DNA not in genes were totally useless and were proved absolutely wrong by real science. Now they are claiming that some portions of the human genome are useless and therefore can be used to justify their stupid theories. A better use of foundation money would have been to try to ascertain the purpose of this DNA instead of writing it off as 'race based' DNA. To say that nature created this DNA solely for the purpose of these scientific oafs proving their racist Darwinist theory is totally ludicrous.

[gore3000]

[This ping list for the evolution -- not creationism -- side of evolution threads

It sure is! We know quite well that evolutionists cannot stand to hear opposing views, it shows their theory to be too ridiculous! So forget about honest discussion and just invite one side.