The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [20th Revision]

At some finite time in the past, life began somehow. (How it began is beyond the scope of the theory, but the observational evidence strongly suggests that only one such beginning on Earth has left descendants to the present day.) As life reproduces and multiplies, mutations occur with small but finite probabilities, causing new genes to be added, and creating new alleles of existing genes. The different alleles confer different traits upon their owners, rendering them more or less successful in coping with their environments. The organisms that are more successful in coping with their environments consequently have a slightly greater probability of passing their genes to the next generation of organisms than do the less successful organisms. This causes allele frequencies to change over time.

Because mutations are random according to their probabilities, there is essentially a zero probability that two non-interbreeding populations will get the same set of mutations. (Even if they somehow do, there is essentially a zero probability that the frequencies of the alleles will end up the same in both populations.) The alleles and new genes available in each population will therefore diverge, with the result that the populations become genetically more distant from each other over time. Eventually, the two populations will become genetically so distant that they lose the ability to produce viable hybrids between them. This is the cause of the origin of species.

Working Theory of Creationism

Gen 1:1-31
¹In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. ²And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. ³And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. ⁴And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. ⁵And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. ⁶And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. ⁷And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. ⁸And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. ⁹And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so. ¹⁰And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good. ¹¹And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. ¹²And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. ¹³And the evening and the morning were the third day. ¹⁴And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: ¹⁵And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. ¹⁶And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. ¹⁷And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, ¹⁸And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good. ¹⁹And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. ²⁰And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. ²¹And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. ²²And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. ²³And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. ²⁴And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. ²⁵And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. ²⁶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ²⁷So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. ²⁸And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. ²⁹And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. ³⁰And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. ³¹And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen 2:1-25
¹Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. ²And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. ³And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. ⁴These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, ⁵And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground. ⁶But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. ⁷And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. ⁸And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. ⁹And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. ¹⁰And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. ¹¹The name of the first [is] Pison: that [is] it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where [there is] gold; ¹²And the gold of that land [is] good: there [is] bdellium and the onyx stone. ¹³And the name of the second river [is] Gihon: the same [is] it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. ¹⁴And the name of the third river [is] Hiddekel: that [is] it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river [is] Euphrates. ¹⁵And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. ¹⁶And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: ¹⁷But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. ¹⁸And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. ¹⁹And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof. ²⁰And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. ²¹And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; ²²And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. ²³And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. ²⁴Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. ²⁵And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

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To: Sentis

Actually, I would see it as a step up, but for the fact that here he picked the silly part.

41 posted on 12/22/2002 12:44:03 PM PST by Physicist

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To: Sentis

Main Entry: ra·tio·nal·ize
Pronunciation: 'rash-n&-"lIz, 'ra-sh&-n&l-"Iz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -ized; -iz·ing
Date: 1803
transitive senses
1 : to free (a mathematical expression) from irrational parts < rationalize a denominator >
2 : to bring into accord with reason or cause something to seem reasonable: as a : to substitute a natural for a supernatural explanation of < rationalize a myth > b : to attribute (one's actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives < rationalized his dislike of his brother >
3 : to apply the principles of scientific management to (as an industry or its operations) for a desired result (as increased efficiency)
intransitive senses : to provide plausible but untrue reasons for conduct
- ra·tio·nal·iz·able /"rash-n&-'lI-z&-b&l, "ra-sh&-n&l-'I-/ adjective
- ra·tio·nal·i·za·tion /"rash-n&-l&-'zA-sh&n, "ra-sh&-n&l-&-/ noun
- ra·tio·nal·iz·er /'rash-n&-"lI-z&r, 'ra-sh&-n&l-"I-/ noun

42 posted on 12/22/2002 12:46:09 PM PST by f.Christian

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To: f.Christian

I know what "reason" is. I don't know what question you are asking me? Just posting a definition isn't going to help me figure out what question you want to ask. I'm not sure what to tell you other than to ask if English is your first Language? If it's not I speak passable French and a bit of Spanish if those could help please feel free to post in your native language if you have one?

43 posted on 12/22/2002 12:50:03 PM PST by Sentis

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To: Sentis

WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR LIFE---BELIEFS ON....WHIMS/REASON?

44 posted on 12/22/2002 12:52:54 PM PST by f.Christian

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To: Physicist

The really incredible thing about this post--other than its coherence--is that this was exactly Ayn Rand's belief regarding art that doesn't glorify Man. The rhetoric was practically cribbed from her. Of course, she was full of codswallop on this score, at least. There really is no accounting for taste.

I've come around to the belief that there's a lot of truth to her notion of art as being an illustration of one's sense of life, at least. Just look at '90s pop culture. Now there's a movement that never had anywhere to go.

45 posted on 12/22/2002 12:56:59 PM PST by jennyp

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To: ContentiousObjector

Done.

46 posted on 12/22/2002 1:34:10 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: f.Christian

Sorry this took awhile to respond too christmas functions drew my attention. What do I base my life on? What am I required to base it on? My life doesn't need a base outside of myself to be fullfilled. Even if i didn't base my life on rational thought I would still not need a basis to be complete. You seem to need the support of a mythology to help you overcome life's problems I do not. Your life may not be complete without a savior to fill you with hope. I need no false hope I am complete unto myself. Even if every man woman and child on this earth believed in Christ I would have no need. I do not need the consensus of the community.

I search for rational truth because that is where reality resides. Truth is not subjective, truth is not objective, and Truth is not subject to the varied Mythologies of this Planet many of these mythologies being much older than the one you embrace. Truth is absolute. That is why in the search for an absolute truth you must often throw off the weak beliefs of degenrate religion or even the hard won beliefs gained from personal insight. Truth cares for none of that.

God is not truth God is a crutch for those to weak to cut away the dead limbs, shoot the sick dog, or take that first unaided step into the light of reason.

47 posted on 12/22/2002 3:46:54 PM PST by Sentis

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To: Sentis

I thought so!

48 posted on 12/22/2002 3:50:46 PM PST by f.Christian

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To: Junior

I.D./Creationists may be interested in:

International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design (ISCID)is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization which provides a forum for free and uncensored inquiry into complex systems. The day-to-day operation of the society centers on the archive, to which members and nonmembers may submit articles. Once uploaded onto the archive, each article has a commenting facility to which members may append comments. At the author's request, after three months on the archive, articles passed on by the editorial board enter the quarterly online peer-reviewed journal of the society: Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design (PCID).

49 posted on 12/23/2002 2:12:28 PM PST by Remedy

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To: Condorman

My good sir, how did you know this was on my Christmas list?

I made a list and checked it twice... Of course, I also know when you're sleeping and when you're awake. Egads, man! Stop that or you'll go blind!

50 posted on 12/23/2002 2:26:44 PM PST by Junior

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To: Junior

AAHHHH!!!!

Too.... Many.... Punchlines!!!

(Merry Christmas)

51 posted on 12/23/2002 9:14:46 PM PST by Condorman

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