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California Bond Rating Cut as $35 Bln Deficit Looms
Bloomberg News ^ | 12/19 | By Dennis Walters

Posted on 12/19/2002 9:46:13 PM PST by Robert357

Edited on 07/19/2004 2:10:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

New York, Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- California's bond rating was cut by Standard & Poor's because of a projected $34.8 billion budget deficit in the next two fiscal years, tying the most- populous U.S. state with Louisiana for the lowest credit rating.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; calpowercrisis; dwr; enron; powerbonds
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Now it starts. Davis and the Democratic Legislature will start to understand what it means to be controlled by Wall Street.
1 posted on 12/19/2002 9:46:13 PM PST by Robert357
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To: Robert357; snopercod; Ernest_at_the_Beach; lewislynn
I thought that you might like to know that S&P just dropped the bond rating for California. Things are going to really start happening fast and I don't think that Davis and the Democrats are going to enjoy the fact that rating agencies will have more influence on how the budget is shaped than the Republican party.

I didn't see this posted anywhere else, but if it was, I apologize.

2 posted on 12/19/2002 9:48:33 PM PST by Robert357
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To: Robert357
It will be a wonder to behold, but we know what the answer is.

Davis will raise taxes.

3 posted on 12/19/2002 9:51:04 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Robert357
Yup. It means we'll pay higher interest on the principal due and be even deeper in the hole than we are now. If the Governor and the majority Democrats here don't understand we can't spend money we simply don't have on hand, we'll become a Third World nation. That's the Los Angeles Times's fear and its what the newspaper of record is pushing to justify a big tax increase. The GOP should hold the line - California isn't collecting too little revenue; its collecting too much already and spending more of it than is being provided by the taxpayers. The state needs to slim down to survive.
4 posted on 12/19/2002 9:52:59 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: Robert357
ABANDON ALL HOPE YE WHO ENTER HERE
-Motto, State of California
5 posted on 12/19/2002 9:56:43 PM PST by Imal
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To: Robert357
5 will get you 10 that the Democrats start suggesting criminal investigations against the ratings agencies for lowering their grade, just like they did against the energy companies...
6 posted on 12/19/2002 9:59:20 PM PST by Southack
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To: Robert357
I don't understand. I thought all the immigration in California was a boon to the economy. Shouldn't that be reflected in the State coffers?

< /sarcasm>

7 posted on 12/19/2002 10:02:14 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: goldstategop
Might as well see what the source at S&P Says. Ouch!!!!

NEW YORK (Standard & Poor's) Dec. 19, 2002--Standard & Poor's Ratings Services today lowered its ratings on California's $23.5 billion of GO bonds (excluding bonds also secured by veteran's housing revenues) to 'A' from 'A+', the state's $12.5 billion of revenue anticipation notes to 'SP-2' from 'SP-1', the state's commercial paper program to' A-2' from 'A-1', and the state's $6.4 billion of general fund lease-backed debt, issued by the California State Public Works Department, to 'A-' from 'A'.

The outlook is stable.

The downgrades follow Gov. Gray Davis' announcement yesterday of a projected general fund budget gap of $34 billion for fiscal 2004, absent corrective budget action. In particular, Standard & Poor's conversation with the state budget office indicates a sharply higher general fund deficit of about $10.4 billion for fiscal 2003, absent proposed corrective budget action, included in the $34 billion total. This level of deficit will likely exceed the state's level of other borrowable funds at year end, estimated earlier by the state at $6.4 billion, even if the governor's recently proposed $3.4 billion midyear fiscal 2003 cuts were implemented.

The state attributes $17.7 billion of the gap to revenues running below expected levels through fiscal 2004, $4.5 billion to expenditure increases and nonreceipt of budgeted federal funds, and $12.6 billion to onetime revenue items used in fiscal 2003 but unable to be repeated in fiscal 2004, including a $4.5 billion tobacco securitization sale expected in a few months. The new budget gap represents a sharp increase from a $21 billion comparative total gap the state legislative analyst projected only last month. The increased gap poses an enormous test for the state compared to the size of its annual budget. Fiscal 2003 general fund revenues were budgeted about $79 billion in fiscal 2003.

The impact of possible state cuts on aid to local governments and school districts will be reviewed when more detail on potential cuts becomes available. The governor's recently proposed $10.2 billion of midyear corrective budget action, only $3.4 million of which is attributable to fiscal 2003, can only represent a partial solution to the state's long-term structural budget problems.

Standard & Poor's will conduct a teleconference call at 4:30 p.m. ET today to discuss this rating action. The details for the conference call are listed below:

Live Dial-In Number: 1-712-257-2021
Call Confirmation# 4289569 Passcode: SANDP
Replay Number: 1-402-530-7896
These replays are available until Thursday December 26, 2002 Complete ratings information is available to subscribers of RatingsDirect, Standard & Poor's Web-based credit analysis system, at www.ratingsdirect.com. All ratings affected by this rating action can be found on Standard & Poor's public Web site at www.standardandpoors.com; under Fixed Income in the left navigation bar, select Credit Ratings Actions.

8 posted on 12/19/2002 10:04:30 PM PST by Robert357
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Democrats start...criminal investigations against the ratings agencies..., just like they did against the energy companies...

It wouldn't surprise me once they find out how deeply the bond rating agencies are going to review proposed legislation and budgets.

It is clear that California is being told that they are very close to their credit limit and that Wall Street will only go so far. Wall Street will tell the Legislators what is an acceptable budget and what is not and then allow California to borrow or not borrow the funds it needs to meet its cash flow needs.

This is going to get real ugly and I wouldn't be surprised to start hearing Democrats start saying that bond analysts are not elected and have not business telling elected officials what they can or can not do for a budget.

9 posted on 12/19/2002 10:08:55 PM PST by Robert357
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To: Robert357
Typical. The only way to get anyone to loan you money is to prove to them that you don't need it.

BTW I think the best way to solve the California Budget crisis is to threaten to sell Catalina Island to Iraq or Iran for $35 Billion Dollars unless the Feds agree to purchase it first.

10 posted on 12/19/2002 10:12:10 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Then the next step is to approach Mexico and accept Baja California as payment for whatever they owe us today.
12 posted on 12/19/2002 10:14:53 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: marujo
What do your taro cards say?

My cards say that Davis has sunk the state of California's chance of a quick economic recovery. He will be lucky if he gets the state economy going by the time he has to leave office.

When one puts off paying for things again and again and doesn't save for the future, one runs into a hard wall eventually. Davis and the Democratic legislature have run into the hard wall of Wall Street.

If you remember when NYC went broke and Wall Street formed commits to administer and advise on all City funds the pleas that were made, you will likely find a lot of insight into the future.

13 posted on 12/19/2002 10:19:31 PM PST by Robert357
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To: marujo
the democrats are going to get the blame in the long run

Your analysis is based upon the false premise that the citizens of California-- who elected the democrats who caused this mess and re-elected Gray Davis and Barbara Boxer-- can either read or think.

14 posted on 12/19/2002 10:20:15 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Robert357
He will be lucky if he gets the state economy going by the time he has to leave office.

Lucky? Hey, with a 35 Bilion dollar deficit, it can't be done. If he raises taxes, the remaining big companies will pack up and move. The only way to get the California economy on track would be to change the tax base, eliminate the California income tax, eliminate California corporation taxes, and sell off half the land that the state of California owns to developers.

16 posted on 12/19/2002 10:24:58 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Robert357
Want to bet he will add a gas tax and try to force us all to drive Yugos.
17 posted on 12/19/2002 10:26:22 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: Plutarch
You underestimate the positive effects of illegals. They don't pay taxes, suck the blood out of our social service programs, committ an inordinate amount of crime, overburden our public school system with non english speaking students, and send alot of their money home to their mother land.
18 posted on 12/19/2002 10:27:02 PM PST by doc
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To: P-Marlowe
If he raises taxes, the remaining big companies will pack up and move.

My startup company, which has been growing at an incredible rate (exceeding all revenue projections) is planning on doing just that to protect our business. The destination? Florida. We aren't going to get sucked dry for being part of the productive class.

19 posted on 12/19/2002 10:33:26 PM PST by tortoise
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To: Robert357
California's problem: Too much Gray matter.
20 posted on 12/19/2002 10:38:34 PM PST by Rocky
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