[Clemenza]

Yeah, but the California transplants to Washington State are well TO THE LEFT of the Mexican transplants in California.

Speaking from my perspective of living in NYC, there is NOTHING more dangerous than a middle or upper class WHITE leftist. The minorities simply support the Dems for pork, the white lefties support leftist causes as a religion.

[RobbyS]

Someone once put it this way: the Swedes are the most unreligious people in the word, the Indians, the most. The United States is a country of Swedes ruling over Indians. Except that socialism is a religion of sorts, or something that emotionally substitutes for it. Our capitalist upper class sends their kids to schools and colleges which is staffed by people who loath capitalism. Their kids kids come out conflicted: the wealth they enjoy is generated by a capitalist system that they have been taught to hate for its injustices. For most of them, their "liberalism" means nothing more than cocktail chatter and voting for the Democratic Party. Those who go into politics, however, tend to become true believers. Never mind that Iraq is ruled by a person as vicious as Hitler, who like Hitler may be willing to destroy his country if invaded. Somehow the United States is worse.