Posted on 12/19/2002 4:20:16 PM PST by B Knotts
U.S. Sen. Patty Murray was in Vancouver on Wednesday challenging high school students to answer these questions:
What is behind terrorist Osama bin Laden's popularity in some parts of the world, and should the United States adopt his nation-building tactics?
Speaking at Columbia River High School, Murray, D-Wash., responded to questions from students, most about the war on terrorism or government spending for education.
Later Wednesday, Murray visited C-Tran headquarters and checked out a new bus.
Murray met at Columbia River with world history students and student government leaders. Across town, Hudson's Bay High School students participated via teleconference.
Murray concluded the session by challenging the students to consider alternatives to war.
"We've got to ask, why is this man (Osama bin Laden) so popular around the world?," said Murray, who faces re-election in 2004. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries ? that are riddled with poverty?
"He's been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that.
"How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"
Murray said she doesn't know where she comes down on that guns-or-butter question, and building infrastructure in Third World countries would "cost a lot of money, and we have schools here and health care facilities here that are really hurting."
Be 'better neighbors'?
"War is expensive too," she said. "Your generation ought to be thinking about whether we should be better neighbors out in other countries so that they have a different vision of us.
"It is a debate I think we ought to have."
Murray was in the minority when the Senate voted 77-23 in October to give President Bush authority to use military force in confronting Saddam Hussein. The state's other senator, Democrat Maria Cantwell, voted for the resolution.
Murray opened Wednesday's event telling the students, "You'll be graduating into a world that is very difficult. ? The economy is struggling. War in Iraq is a very real possibility in the short term" and could cost $200 billion even if it were to last only a few weeks.
The cost of waging war could result in cuts to domestic programs such as Pell grants for college students, she said.
Responding to a question about federal spending for schools, Murray said the Bush administration is backing off its pledge of support for the No Child Left Behind program.
"There are crises in every one of our schools in this country," Murray said, and cutting spending on education has long-term deleterious effects.
Visit to the bus barn
Later in the day, Murray spent 45 minutes at the C-Tran administrative and operations facility at 2425 N.E. 65th Ave. for a holiday potluck. Randy Frasier's Mountain View High School jazz and concert choirs serenaded her with holiday carols.
Afterward, Murray examined a new $312,000 Gillig coach, the first of several dozen that will replace 20-year-old GM buses that have racked up an average of 650,000 miles each.
Murray is on the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on transportation, which funnels matching money to states and local agencies for buses and other transit programs. Eighty percent of the cost of new buses will come from federal grants, and the remainder from local C-Tran money.
This is off the top of my head.
United Nations Official Development Aid (or whatever it's called) we give about 10 or 11 billion dollars a year. This is more than any other country in the world, but on the other hand is the lowest among contributing developed nations as a percentage of GDP. On the other, other hand Bush has recently said he will ask congress to increase this amount by 50 percent.
This UN contribution is what many people (especially libs) count exclusively as "foreign aid," but of course we give much more beyond and apart from this. There's 5 or 6 billions dollars each year that we pay to Egypt and Israel as, essentially, a bribe for their peace accord. (Thanks, Jimmuh.) Then there is the 3 billion we recently promised to Afghanistan (I don't know if that is to be distributed over some number of years or not). I think Pakistan is getting big bucks in the range of billions, but I don't know the figure. Then the cost of peace keeping deployments. I don't know, but just guessing wildly, I would say, probably, some additional 20 or 30 billion over and above U.N. aid, or maybe 10 billion or less if you eliminated military aid and various intangibles and indirect benefits.
Then there is private and NGO aid. I've seen estimates that Americans contribute around 35 billion each year in this realm.
Most of America could care less why bin Laden has support or not. Most of America just wants him dead. This American would like to see osama photographed with a current edition of the NYT. If that's possible.
5.56mm
She needs to be censured by the Senate, at minimum.
She really needs to resign.
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