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National Endowment for Democracy stepped up its funding to opposition groups, including money funneled through the International Republican Institute. The latter's funding multiplied more than sixfold, to $340,000 in 2001.

How many friends will we make by undermining democracy abroad? How did we feel when it became known that the Chinese were funding Clinton and the Democrats? Here's a clue: People don't like foreigners intervening in their electoral proceses. Ask the East Europeans after 1947. Or before 1942.

1 posted on 12/19/2002 8:20:59 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: BillinDenver
Deserved its own thread.
2 posted on 12/19/2002 8:26:58 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: Zviadist
CEPR receives 85% of its funding from:

The Ford Foundation

The Charles Stewart Mott Foundation

The Rockefeller Foundation

The Rockefeller Brothers Fund

The remaining 15% comes from individual and institutional donations.

http://www.cepr.net/pages/Our_Funders.htm

Very, very strange.

About as strange as claiming that supporting the opposition to Chavez is anti-democracy, when exactly the opposite is true.
3 posted on 12/19/2002 8:30:46 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: Zviadist
"This is clearly a national strike of the privileged."

Sorta like 'Atlas Shrugged', eh?

OTOH, the U.S. gubmint should not be involved.

Anyone recall the 19th C. Nicaraguan filibusters?
4 posted on 12/19/2002 8:31:23 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Zviadist
Who ever said democracy was a good thing anyway. "Democracy" is one of those terms redefined according to the person who wants it to mean something which may or may not be that his friends or neighbors have come to believe it should mean. East Germany was "democratic", the Greek Athens city-state was "democratic", one of the two major parties here in the United States calls itself "Democratic", so simply because you may be against "democracy", does not mean you are against personal freedom amd the peaceable pursuit of its rewards.
5 posted on 12/19/2002 8:34:32 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: Zviadist
Well look what Chavez E Avez is doing over there. He taxes the middle and upper income earners and then turns around and gives everyone who who wants it 1000 bucks as a down payment to buy a home. And of course, they get a special deal on the home loan subsidized by the government. So Chavez's supporters are the poor, who found out that they can vote their hands into the federal treasury, and the millitary. Anyone with enough brains to hold a good paying job is against Chavez.

This is what happens when liberalism succeeds.

7 posted on 12/19/2002 8:36:03 AM PST by rudypoot
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To: Zviadist
Here's a clue: People don't like foreigners intervening in their electoral proceses. Ask the East Europeans after 1947. Or before 1942.

Weren't the Soviets interferring in East Europe after 1947, and since 1945, in fact? Wouldn't it have been nice if someone had interferred before 1942? It seems to me you just defeated your own argument while inadvertantly explaining why we need to interfer ion Venezuela.

By the way, is that you, Pat Buchanan??

27 posted on 12/19/2002 9:49:20 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Zviadist
We need to also stop intervening against Democracy in the US.
62 posted on 12/19/2002 11:37:51 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Zviadist
Regardless what, we should impose our will to elect or defeat leaders of other countries.
66 posted on 12/19/2002 11:50:40 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: Zviadist
The fact that Chavez was elected doesn't mean that anything that he does is choice of the people of Venezuela. I doubt that when they elected him they knew that he would shred the constitution. Your concept of Democracy is strange. My concept of Democracy assumes that when a candidate is democraticaly elected, that he has an obligation to support democratic principles. Chavez is a hard-core red communist who is plundering the nation and stripping the citizens of their rights, as was Aristide in Chile. I say, go get 'em boys.
113 posted on 12/20/2002 7:09:11 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Zviadist
Hugo Chavez - Venezuela

Fidel Castro - Cuba

February 2002 - Chavez security chief alleges FARC links - Cuban and Russian security advisors in - I am resigning because I disagree with the (Venezuelan Police Intelligence Division) DISIP's policy of providing security to Colombian guerrillas ... this policy is more than just irregular, it approaches treason to Venezuela given the innumerable deaths, kidnappings and other crimes for which these groups are responsible in our country." Egui Bastidas said 90 percent of his fellow officers "obey orders but do not agree with them" and called on President Hugo Chavez to reverse his policy of tacit support for the rebels.

"All the peace negotiations there are over and open confrontations between the guerrillas and the Colombian government have begun. Are they going to carry on letting them cross over into Venezuelan territory?" Egui Bastidas asked. The former DISIP official called on the Armed Forces to issue a statement about their view of the Chávez government's alleged support for the Colombian guerrillas.

Egui Bastidas also made a number of revelations about DISIP activities in recent months. He said the Venezuelan security service had collected personal information about all serving military officers and had also tried to smear opposition figures, such as Alberto Pena, the mayor of Metropolitan Caracas.

The official said he was also concerned at the growing role of Russian and Cuban security advisers in Venezuela. Egui Bastidas said he had experienced "the direct participation and the attempts at indoctrination by the Russian and Cuban intelligence services, who have direct and virtually unlimited access within the Helicoide (DISIP's headquarters building)." The official's lawyer, former DISIP Secretary-General Joaquin Chaffardet, said around 100 members of the Cuban intelligence services are currently operating in Venezuela. The new allegations would, if proven, further strain the already difficult relationship between the United States and Venezuela.***

Posted April 2002 from July 1998 article- Fidel Castro's Deadly Secret - Five BioChem Warfare Labs***The Cuban dictator is devoting a lot of his destitute island nation's budget to secretive biological- and chemical-weapons research. Will he share his germ arsenal with terrorists? Not far from Havana's picturesque harbor, where ogling tourists and curvaceous prostitutes ply Cuba's only thriving form of free trade, stands the Luis Diaz Soto Naval Hospital, flanked by a newly built concrete laboratory complex about 400 feet long by 300 feet wide. Inside the compound, along a 165-foot acid-resistant work table with built-in circuit breakers, military biotechnicians reportedly experiment on cadavers, hospital patients and live animals with anthrax, brucellosis, equine encephalitis, dengue fever, hepatitis, tetanus and a variety of other bacterial agents.

Five chemical- and biological-weapons plants operate throughout the island, according to documents smuggled out of Cuba and made available to Insight by Alvaro Prendes, a former Cuban air force colonel who now is the Miami-based spokesman for the Union of Liberated Soldiers and Officers, a clandestine pro-democracy movement within Cuba's security services. The credibility of the smuggled documents is enhanced by a recent classified Pentagon analysis. Also, these facilities have not been on the itinerary of such visiting dignitaries as retired Marine Gen. John Sheehan, the recently passed-over candidate for chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who enthusiastically embraced normalizing relations with Havana following a recent round of junketing with Castro.

Pentagon, State Department and congressional sources also point to continuing Cuban support for international terrorism and drug trafficking. They tell Insight that, according to the CIA, Russian specialists still operate the electronic listening station at Lourdes on the northeast tip of the island which taps into U.S. communications. During the Persian Gulf War, this station forwarded strategic information to Iraq.

Reports smuggled out this year by dissident Cuban military officers and scientists are believed to be among the factors prompting Defense Secretary William Cohen to revise a Pentagon report sent to Congress last April which decertified Cuba as a threat to U.S. national security. The revised report, still classified but made available to an Insight reporter, states: "Cuba's air force is in disrepair and much of the regular army is demobilized, but the Castro government retains the potential to pose unconventional threats. It has the infrastructure which can be adapted to the production of chem-bio weapons."

A classified annex to the Pentagon's final report to Congress further warns: "According to sources within Cuba, at least one research site is run and funded by the Cuban military to work on the development of offensive and defensive biological weapons." Why does the president ignore this? "Clinton just wants to avoid another front," says Ernesto Betancourt, former director of Radio Marti, a U.S. government broadcasting service. Betancourt believes that the administration is terrified of provoking a confrontation which could lead to another Cuban wave of refugees. ***

120 posted on 12/22/2002 2:19:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Zviadist
Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services's Mark Weisbrot, author of this manipulative Castro/Chavez/Marxist agit-prop, is a typical democrat party traitor. The democrats are little more than an organized crime entity, devoted to the destruction of the United States and our sacred Constitution.
125 posted on 12/22/2002 6:47:16 PM PST by friendly
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