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Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif.
Reuters ^ | 18 December 2002 | Jill Serjeant

Posted on 12/18/2002 9:19:51 PM PST by Asmodeus

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian and other Middle East citizens were in southern California jails on Wednesday after coming forward to comply with a new rule to register with immigration authorities only to wind up handcuffed and behind bars.

Shocked and frustrated Islamic and immigrant groups estimate that more than 500 people have been arrested in Los Angeles, neighboring Orange County and San Diego in the past three days under a new nationwide anti-terrorism program. Some unconfirmed reports put the figure as high as 1,000.

The arrests sparked a demonstration by hundreds of Iranians outside a Los Angeles immigration office. The protesters carried banners saying "What's next? Concentration camps?" and "What happened to liberty and justice?."

A spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service said no numbers of people arrested would be made public. A Justice Department (news - web sites) spokesman could not be reached for comment.

The head of the southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) compared the arrests to the internment of Japanese Americans in camps during the Second World War.

"I think it is shocking what is happening. It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment of Japanese Americans. We are getting a lot of telephone calls from people. We are hearing that people went down wanting to cooperate and then they were detained," said Ramona Ripston, the ACLU's executive director.

JAILS OVERFLOWING

One activist said local jails were so overcrowded that the immigrants could be sent to Arizona, where they could face weeks or months in prisons awaiting hearings before immigration judges or deportation.

"It is a shock. You don't expect this to happen. It is really putting fright and apprehension in the community. People who come from these countries -- this is what they expect from their government. Not from America," said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities.

Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan. News of the mass arrests came first in southern California, which is home to more than 600,000 Iranian exiles and their families.

Officials declined to give figures for those arrested or for the numbers of people who turned up to register, be fingerprinted and have their photographs taken.

"We are not releasing any numbers," said Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) spokesman Francisco Arcaute.

CALLS FOR HELP

Islamic groups and the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said they had been swamped with calls for help.

INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. The program was prompted by concern about the lack of records on tourists, students and other visitors to the United States after the Sept. 11 hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington.

Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here.

"Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said.

The Iranian protesters said many of those detained were victims of official delays in processing visa and green card requests.

"My father, they just took him in," one young man told reporters. "They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything."

Khan said one of those in jail was a doctor, who was being sponsored for U.S. citizenship when his sponsor died.

One Syrian man said he went to register in Orange County with a dozen friends. He was the only one to come out of the INS office. "All my friends are inside right now," M.M. Trapici, 45, told reporters. "I have to visit the family for each one today. Most of them have small kids."


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1 posted on 12/18/2002 9:19:51 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Stupid idiots, if you were in some other country illegaly then you could be shot or shoved into prison without food.

I have no sympathy for someone who sneaks into this country illegaly and takes advantage of our systems of healthcare and welfare.

2 posted on 12/18/2002 9:22:54 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
Oh my, I wish I could be stuck in New Orleans. What's up with that screen name?
3 posted on 12/18/2002 9:26:45 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: Asmodeus
I call it a good start. Sleeper cells have taken a big hit. Imagine that. Having to obey the laws of the country you visit. A new concept for a religion which teaches its a holy act for its members to lie and steal from and trick non-muslims. Now those FEMA camps are going to be put to good use.
4 posted on 12/18/2002 9:29:06 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Asmodeus
They were not arresting people before the dead line ended, so what is the big deal? If you went in before the deadline and registered, its done. If you waited till after the amnesty period you are illegal.

The article fails to mention if the arrests were all done in the immigration office or if the police rounded up lots of people from their homes when the deadline ended. It also failed to explain why they let the one guy go. My guess is that they decided to suddenly enforce the law. In order to make it "fair" and equitable, they need to inforce it to all illegal immigrants, not just Arabs.


5 posted on 12/18/2002 9:30:07 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: Asmodeus
""I think it is shocking what is happening. It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment of Japanese Americans"....BTW which was correct considering the potential threat. If they are here illegally I am sure they will receive due process. Now they need to hit the streets to check the ones supporting these guys.
6 posted on 12/18/2002 9:31:35 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Asmodeus
Reminds me of the old joke - What do you call a busload of lawyers driving over a cliff?

A good start.

7 posted on 12/18/2002 9:33:05 PM PST by stop_fascism
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To: Asmodeus
"...Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said."

Key words being "most likely".

Uh, the 19 hijackers walked thru the boarding gate along with everybody else doomed to die on 9-11.

If you're in this country on an expired visa or wanted for a crime, just what should the INS have done?

8 posted on 12/18/2002 9:33:36 PM PST by DCPatriot
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To: Joe Hadenuf; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Didja see this????
9 posted on 12/18/2002 9:35:11 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
I think your thinking about Mexican border jumpers. The article suggests that these people were here legally or at least came here legally. Its harder to sneak in all the way from Iran, expecially with your family. Either way, it was their attempt to comply with the law that put them in the position of being arrested in the first place.

I believe that we should start getting really sticky with muslims from arab countries, but I think that your comment may read a little that isn't nessecarily there in the article. What do you do when your visa is expiring and you are living in a foreign country and you are expecting it to get renewed any day? Do you fly all the way back to the country you escaped from just in case the INS is backed up and may not process your application in time before your current visa expires? I don't know. Fortunately, I've never been in such a position.

Perhaps they are just putting them in jail for a little while until they can catch up on their work. What with all the people being allowed to illegally stroll into the country everyday by the thousands, I'm sure they have their hands full.

10 posted on 12/18/2002 9:36:38 PM PST by HaveGunWillTravel
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To: Asmodeus
I am in the LA area and everything is quiet.
11 posted on 12/18/2002 9:38:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Brad's Gramma
Saw it just before you pinged!

That is probably less than 1 % of the illegals running around in So Cal!

12 posted on 12/18/2002 9:40:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Asmodeus
Finally, someone's getting serious about these illegal creeps.
13 posted on 12/18/2002 9:46:40 PM PST by paulklenk
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And at least as many running around in the San Joaquin Valley.
14 posted on 12/18/2002 9:50:20 PM PST by JustAmy
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To: paulklenk
To all illegal immigrants in jail: you took the risk when you snuck into America or stayed in America illegally after your legal status expired.
15 posted on 12/18/2002 9:55:52 PM PST by Ipberg
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To: Asmodeus
Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif.

Good start. Now complete the process by deporting them.

16 posted on 12/18/2002 9:56:40 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Rye
Bump

Way to go!

17 posted on 12/18/2002 10:02:42 PM PST by B-Cause
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To: Asmodeus
The protesters carried banners saying "What's next? Concentration camps?" and "What happened to liberty and justice?."

Well if they insist, it could, I 'spose be arranged. What happened to L&J?? It's called "9/11/2001"! IMHO they're barkin' at the wrong squirrels nest.

18 posted on 12/18/2002 10:03:29 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I know! But hey, 1% is a start???????
19 posted on 12/18/2002 10:10:53 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Asmodeus
Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan.

There are deadlines for a reason. Now to apply the coup de grace...

" Please step to the back of the boat....you all are in the process of being DEPORTED."

Buh-bye...

20 posted on 12/18/2002 10:15:22 PM PST by F16Fighter
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