If that was an out, how many would suddenly "find Jesus"? Remember within their religion and culture they are supposed to lie to the "infidel". Their methods reflect the MO of what biblical figure?
Hmmmmm...
Posted on 12/18/2002 6:41:55 PM PST by John Lenin
By Jill Serjeant
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian and other Middle East citizens were in southern California jails on Wednesday after coming forward to comply with a new rule to register with immigration authorities only to wind up handcuffed and behind bars.
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Shocked and frustrated Islamic and immigrant groups estimate that more than 500 people have been arrested in Los Angeles, neighboring Orange County and San Diego in the past three days under a new nationwide anti-terrorism program. Some unconfirmed reports put the figure as high as 1,000.
The arrests sparked a demonstration by hundreds of Iranians outside a Los Angeles immigration office. The protesters carried banners saying "What's next? Concentration camps?" and "What happened to liberty and justice?."
A spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service said no numbers of people arrested would be made public. A Justice Department (news - web sites) spokesman could not be reached for comment.
The head of the southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) compared the arrests to the internment of Japanese Americans in camps during the Second World War.
"I think it is shocking what is happening. It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment of Japanese Americans. We are getting a lot of telephone calls from people. We are hearing that people went down wanting to cooperate and then they were detained," said Ramona Ripston, the ACLU's executive director.
JAILS OVERFLOWING
One activist said local jails were so overcrowded that the immigrants could be sent to Arizona, where they could face weeks or months in prisons awaiting hearings before immigration judges or deportation.
"It is a shock. You don't expect this to happen. It is really putting fright and apprehension in the community. People who come from these countries -- this is what they expect from their government. Not from America," said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations.
The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities.
Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan. News of the mass arrests came first in southern California, which is home to more than 600,000 Iranian exiles and their families.
Officials declined to give figures for those arrested or for the numbers of people who turned up to register, be fingerprinted and have their photographs taken.
"We are not releasing any numbers," said Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) spokesman Francisco Arcaute.
CALLS FOR HELP
Islamic groups and the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said they had been swamped with calls for help.
INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. The program was prompted by concern about the lack of records on tourists, students and other visitors to the United States after the Sept. 11 hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington.
Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here.
"Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said.
The Iranian protesters said many of those detained were victims of official delays in processing visa and green card requests.
"My father, they just took him in," one young man told reporters. "They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything."
Khan said one of those in jail was a doctor, who was being sponsored for U.S. citizenship when his sponsor died.
One Syrian man said he went to register in Orange County with a dozen friends. He was the only one to come out of the INS office. "All my friends are inside right now," M.M. Trapici, 45, told reporters. "I have to visit the family for each one today. Most of them have small kids."
You must listen to more NPR, CNN, and ADL "information." [sarcasm]
To start with, the list represents only those we know about. It obviously doesn't include those who come and go at will through our open borders.
Secondly, how many thousands are replacing them by entering the country legally? In addition to all the student, work, and tourist visas, we are constantly "resettling" more UN "refugees" from such compatible places as Somalia. As fast as one hand rounds them up, the other is bringing more in. My guess is that the "new" security checks done on these applicants is about as revised and effective as the new airport security checks.
I'm also wondering if any of these people ordered deported will actually ever leave the country.
In short, I am pleased to see the government actually doing something about these illegals. It's far too early, however, to feel any sense of relief.
Simple.
If that was an out, how many would suddenly "find Jesus"? Remember within their religion and culture they are supposed to lie to the "infidel". Their methods reflect the MO of what biblical figure?
Hmmmmm...
You cannot work on a student visa (not for money, anyway, although I knew a German student years ago who would regularly take unpaid jobs in his prospective field, if they would look good on his resume, or net him some connections). The university, as his employer, would have to sponsor the Jordanian for his green card. I'm not sure, but I believed he'd be allowed to work while that is being processed.
I'm trying to work from memory, of how it happened for my German friend. But he got his green card the old-fashioned way--by marrying a good friend of mine. ;D
Strange that this comparison came up, I visited the D-Day Museum in New Orleans, one exhibit was about the Japanese & their propaganda machine and how they demonized Americans. It was verbatum the same techniques, methods & words that Muslum countries are using to indoctrinate their followers against the U.S. now. To top that off, the attack on the WTC was identical in nature to the attack on Pearl Harbor, a total unprovoked surprise. Hmmmm..............
"Not all Japanese-American leaders have been forthright in their representation of the internment issue, which as stated above, is often viewed in light of the hallowed 442nd. Seldom discussed are the more than 15,000 German- and Italian - Americans who also were relocated and interned during the war. The politcally correct argument is that the Euro-Americans were located and intered because they were a potential threat: The Japanese-Americans were relocated and intered because of 'racism.' In fact, when the government wanted to close the relocation centers in December 1944 - long before the war's end - Japanese-American leaders both in and out of the relocation centers lobbied Washington not to close them. Among those many reasons: the evacuees' lands had been leased for the duration of the war; some of the Japanese nationals were still not convinced that Japan would lose the war; and as Lillian Baker reported in her 1991 book, "The japanning of America: Redress & Reparations Demands by Japanese-Americans ('japanning' referring to the process of blackening fabric or metal; in this case, the varnishing of truth and the blackening of America's honor), some of the Japanese 'frankly never had it so good, being given three meals a day, a bed, medical attention, and no requirement to work for any of this and [some of them] actually wept when the relocation centers were closed. This meant these men were going from on-labor back to stoop labor."
"Remember, all that the evacuees were required to do to be released from the relocation centers--and from the dances, dinners, concerts, parties, schools, and graduation ceremonies that the centers provided the children and their families at taxpayers' expense, which Japanese-American lobbyists in the 1980's described as 'pain and hardship' - was to pledge allegiance to the United states and to resettle in one of the 44 available states not designated a military zone."
There was more information on the 442nd Japanese-American regiment, but the article is too long to transcribe, but we must also remember that there were Japanese-Americans who were sympathetic to their mother country. Also, it must be remembered that these were interment and holding camps, not concentration camps as the liberal media would have us believe. Has anyone ever heard of one Japanese-American in the interment camps ever having been tortured or murdered? Would that our POWs in Germany and Japan in WWII, in Korea and Vietnam, have had half the treatment given to Japanese-Americans in these camps, they wouldn't have perished or come back as skeletons.
Regarding the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, there is another side of the story that was published in Chronicles, February 1995, by Ralph Walker, titled, "The Eternal Regiment, The Continuing Saga of the 442nd."
"Not all Japanese-American leaders have been forthright in their representation of the internment issue, which as stated above, is often viewed in light of the hallowed 442nd. Seldom discussed are the more than 15,000 German- and Italian - Americans who also were relocated and interned during the war. The politcally correct argument is that the Euro-Americans were located and intered because they were a potential threat: The Japanese-Americans were relocated and intered because of 'racism.' In fact, when the government wanted to close the relocation centers in December 1944 - long before the war's end - Japanese-American leaders both in and out of the relocation centers lobbied Washington not to close them. Among those many reasons: the evacuees' lands had been leased for the duration of the war; some of the Japanese nationals were still not convinced that Japan would lose the war; and as Lillian Baker reported in her 1991 book, "The japanning of America: Redress & Reparations Demands by Japanese-Americans ('japanning' referring to the process of blackening fabric or metal; in this case, the varnishing of truth and the blackening of America's honor), some of the Japanese 'frankly never had it so good, being given three meals a day, a bed, medical attention, and no requirement to work for any of this and [some of them] actually wept when the relocation centers were closed. This meant these men were going from on-labor back to stoop labor."
"Remember, all that the evacuees were required to do to be released from the relocation centers--and from the dances, dinners, concerts, parties, schools, and graduation ceremonies that the centers provided the children and their families at taxpayers' expense, which Japanese-American lobbyists in the 1980's described as 'pain and hardship' - was to pledge allegiance to the United states and to resettle in one of the 44 available states not designated a military zone."
There was more information on the 442nd Japanese-American regiment, but the article is too long to transcribe, but we must also remember that there were Japanese-Americans who were sympathetic to their mother country. Also, it must be remembered that these were interment and holding camps, not concentration camps as the liberal media would have us believe. Has anyone ever heard of one Japanese-American in the interment camps ever having been tortured or murdered? Would that our POWs in Germany and Japan in WWII, in Korea and Vietnam, have had half the treatment given to Japanese-Americans in these camps, they wouldn't have perished or come back as skeletons.
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