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Fed Health Chief: I'll Skip Smallpox Vaccine
NY Post ^ | 12/16/02 | AP

Posted on 12/18/2002 5:56:04 PM PST by 2sheep

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:10:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON - Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said yesterday he does not plan to be inoculated with the smallpox vaccine and recommends that other Cabinet members not request the inoculation either.

"I do not believe it is necessary or should be taking place," he said.


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To: 2sheep
Truth is contagious..
21 posted on 12/18/2002 7:31:28 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: joesnuffy
The smallpox vaccine is simply a form of the cowpox virus, which has NEVER shown itself to be effective against ANY strain of smallpox. The belief that exposure to the cowpox virus will provide immunity to smallpox is based on a old superstition dating back to the 1700's. It has no basis in scientific fact.
22 posted on 12/18/2002 7:35:11 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
The disease is thought to be at least 3000 years old, spreading from Africa to India and China. Pock marks have been found on mummified skulls unearthed in Egypt. Epidemics of smallpox may have occurred in 1350 BC during the Egyptian-Hittite war, in 430 BC in Athens, and in AD 180 during the initial stages of the declining Roman Empire. In the 1500s, Spanish and Portuguese conquistadors brought smallpox to the New World, where it spread to Aztecs, Incas, and Native Americans.(9-18)

By the 18th century, smallpox was common throughout Europe. In Sweden, between 1774 and 1798, the annual incidence rate ranged from 3 to 10 cases per 1,000 people (about ½ percent to 1 percent of the population). In London between 1685 and 1801, the number of smallpox cases ranged from 3 to 24 per 1,000 (about ½ percent to nearly 2½ percent of the population). In Copenhagen between 1750 and 1800, smallpox cases ranged from 9 to 18 per 1,000 (about 1 percent to 2 percent of the population). Smallpox deaths during this period ranged from 1 per 5000 cases of the disease to 4 per 1000 cases.(19,20)

During the 19th and 20th centuries, smallpox continued to infect susceptible people. By 1967, the disease remained endemic in 31 countries.(21) In 1972, the U.S. ended smallpox vaccinations.(22) By the mid-1970s, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bangladesh and Ethiopia were declared free of the disease.22 On October 26, 1977, Ali Maow Maalin, a Somali cook, was the last person to contract a natural case of smallpox.(23) In 1980, the World Health Organization (WHO) announced that smallpox had been eradicated from the planet.(24)

How did smallpox disappear?
Variola had already stopped infecting people in more than 8 out of 10 countries throughout the world when WHO launched a worldwide vaccination campaign against smallpox in 1967.(25) At that time, only 131,000 cases were reported.(26) Yet, authorities credit their global initiative with eliminating the disease. Some medical historians question the validity of this claim. Scarlet fever and the plague also infected millions of people. Vaccines were never developed for these diseases yet they disappeared as well.(27)

Several reputable historians credit multiple public health activities—sanitation and nutrition reforms—with reducing the incidence and severity of the early problematic diseases, including smallpox, plague, dysentery, scarlet fever, typhoid, and cholera. During the late 18th and early 19th centuries, “the etiology of disease was largely unrecognized and the breeding places of disease were undiscovered.”(28) With the advent of the industrial revolution, droves of people left the countryside to seek employment in the cities. Unsanitary and crowded living conditions contributed to the spread of disease.(29) Protective measures were inconsistently applied before health authorities coordinated community efforts to: 1) clean streets, backyards, and stables, 2) remove trash, construct sewage systems, and properly dispose of human waste, 3) drain swamps, marshes, and stagnant pools, 4) purify the water supply, 5) improve the roads so that food could be rapidly transported to the cities and distributed while still fresh and nutritious.(30,31)

A brief history of smallpox inoculations:
By the 18th century, it was common knowledge that survivors of smallpox became immune to the disease. As a result, doctors intentionally infected healthy persons with smallpox organisms hoping to provoke a less severe infection than the naturally occurring illness. For example, children were often exposed to viral matter (pus) extracted from persons with “mild” cases of smallpox. This early preventive technique was named variolation (from variola).(32)

In China, variolation was practiced in one of two ways. Sometimes smallpox scabs were ground into a powder and blown into the nostrils of healthy persons through a tube.(33) Other times dried matter of smallpox lesions was soaked into a moistened cotton swab and inserted directly into the nostrils of healthy persons.(34)

In 1715, Peter Kennedy, a Scottish physician, recommended collecting smallpox fluid on the 12th day of infection, keeping it warm, and introducing it to the patient through a scratch in the skin. This technique—inserting viral matter from a smallpox victim into a deliberate cut on a healthy person—became the model for future applications and research.(35) It quickly became customary for the upper and middle classes to submit to the procedure. But it was an uncertain and hazardous practice. Often, smallpox by variolation was indistinguishable from an attack of ordinary smallpox. And it rarely conferred permanent immunity; the variolated were still likely to re-contract the disease. For some, it was followed by “malaise, disorders of the skin, and grave constitutional derangements.”(36) The trouble and risks of variolation were disliked and feared but were accepted in the name of duty. Doting parents were grateful when the operation was accomplished without serious mishap. The variolated often died from the procedure, became the source of a new epidemic, or developed other illnesses from the lymph of the donor, such as syphilis, hepatitis or tuberculosis.(37-40) Before children were subjected to this practice, they were bled, purged, and deprived of food. Such preparation often lasted several weeks: “There was bleeding till the blood was thin, purging till the body was wasted to a skeleton, and starving on a vegetable diet to keep it so.”(41)

Variolation spread throughout England, Europe, Canada, and the American colonies. However, the primary side effect of the procedure was smallpox itself.(42) This caused researchers to seek alternatives to the dangerous and uncertain medical technique.

During the late 18th century, English folklore and some dairy-maids believed that if they caught cowpox, they would be immune to smallpox.(43) Cows are sometimes infected with a rash on their udders that can be transmitted to dairymaids when they milk the animals. The disease is relatively harmless in both cows and humans.(44) In 1774, an English farmer named Benjamin Jesty sought to prove that cowpox (caused by the vaccinia virus) protected against smallpox. He extracted diseased matter from infected cows and vaccinated (from vaccinia) his wife and sons. None of the Jestys developed smallpox during later epidemics. However, his wife nearly lost the arm in which she had been vaccinated because of severe inflammation, and Jesty was rebuked by his neighbors as an inhumane brute for experimenting on his own family.(45)

In 1796, Edward Jenner, an English doctor, also tried to prove that cowpox protected against smallpox. Jenner inserted cowpox matter into a deliberate cut on James Phipps, a healthy 8-year-old boy. The boy caught cowpox. Seven weeks later, Jenner injected smallpox matter into the boy and claimed he was immune to the disease.(46) His medical colleagues disputed his claim: “We know that it is untrue, for we know dairymaids who have had cowpox and afterwards had smallpox.”(47) Soon thereafter, even Jenner admitted: “There were not wanting instances to prove that when the cow pox broke out among the cattle at a dairy, a person who had milked an infected animal and had thereby apparently gone through the disease in common with others, was liable to receive the smallpox afterwards.”(48)

But Jenner persisted. In 1798, he published Inquiry, a vulgar treatise on horsegrease cowpox.(49) He knew of men who milked cows soon after dressing the heels of horses afflicted with “grease,” an oily and detestable horse disease. Jenner now insisted that these men were immune to smallpox, and that children would forever be protected from the disease if they were injected with cowpox after the cow was infected with the rancid secretions from horses' heels. Jenner published Inquiry in order to recommend horsegrease cowpox. He carefully discriminated it from plain cowpox, which, he admitted, had no protective virtue.(50) But the public was appalled by Jenner's recommendations. Horsegrease cowpox was disgusting, and they wanted nothing to do with it. Still, many attempts were made to verify Jenner's prescription for protecting children; every experiment ended in failure.

Jenner's peers were pleased to learn of his failures. One commented: “The very name of horsegrease was like to have damned the whole [budding practice of vaccinations].”(51) This may have been why, in 1806, when the esteemed Dr. Robert Willan published On Vaccine Inoculation, a monograph on the most recent developments in the field, Jenner was freely cited, yet neither horsegrease nor horsegrease cowpox was ever mentioned. Instead, plain cowpox was exalted as the true prophylactic.(52)

Since the public preferred the diseased secretions from cows' teats (cowpox) over the oozing pus from horses' heels (grease), Edward Jenner saw no reason to object. Besides, the time was ripe to deliver people from “the inconveniences, uncertainties, disasters, and horrors of variolation.”(53) Thus, in 1802, and again in 1807, Jenner petitioned the House of Commons for monetary support to promote vaccinations. He claimed that his product had “the singularly beneficial effect of rendering through life the person so inoculated perfectly secure from the infection of smallpox.”(54)

Upon Jenner's bold declaration, Parliament granted his request, mass inoculation campaigns were launched, and soon thereafter cases of smallpox among the vaccinated were reported. At first they were denied. When denial was no longer possible—because the vaccinated were obviously afflicted with the disease—Jenner and his supporters claimed that if vaccination did not prevent smallpox, it at least provoked milder forms of the disease. But when the vaccinated caught the disease and died, new explanations became necessary. These deaths were claimed to result from “spurious” cowpox.(55) Jenner explained that when the vaccinated recovered from the ordeal, the cowpox was genuine; otherwise it was spurious!(56)

By the time Jenner died in 1823, three kinds of smallpox vaccination were in use: 1) cowpox—often promoted as “pure lymph from the calf,” 2) horsepox, or horsegrease injections, promoted as “the true and genuine life-preserving fluid,” and 3) horsegrease cowpox, the foul concoction originally promoted in Jenner's Inquiry. All were known to cause suffering and death.(57)

In the years following Jenner's death, vaccine failures were blamed on incorrectly administered inoculations. The usual practice of making one puncture for the injection was considered incomplete and ineffective. Two or more punctures were recommended. According to Dr. Marson, chief surgeon of Smallpox Hospital at Highgate, England, “A good vaccination is when persons have been vaccinated in four or more places.”(58) Of course, “the mothers nearly always protest,” he stated, especially since “some of the vaccinators use real instruments of torture,” where multiple “ivory points are driven into the flesh.”(59) But research has proved again and again that the number of puncture marks has no influence over the success or failure of the practice—the very reason re-vaccination was advocated. Contemporary medical authorities now asserted that “vaccine prophylaxy is only real and complete when periodically renewed.”(60) People must be vaccinated again and again “until vesicles cease to respond to the insertion of virus.”(61)

To bolster their claim that smallpox inoculations were safe and effective, vaccine proponents often resorted to medical ploys. For example, smallpox victims who were previously vaccinated and required hospital services were frequently registered as unvaccinated. According to Dr. Russell of the Glasgow Hospital, “Patients entered as unvaccinated showed excellent marks (vaccination scars) when detained for convalescence.”(62) Even the renowned George Bernard Shaw was aware of the medical shenanigans used to hoodwink the public: “During the last epidemic at the turn of the century, I was a member of the Health Committee of London Borough Council. I learned how the credit of vaccination is kept up statistically by diagnosing all the re-vaccinated cases (of smallpox) as pustular eczema, varioloid or what not—except smallpox.”(63)

This article was excerpted from...
The Smallpox Vaccine: What You Should Know
23 posted on 12/18/2002 7:45:01 PM PST by ALS
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To: 2sheep
Can I have his dose?
24 posted on 12/18/2002 7:54:36 PM PST by boris
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To: Fred Mertz
"I got the smallpox vaccine when I was too young to remember it. I have the scar."

Pssst. It wears off with time. That's what the debate is about.

If the islamists release a militarized strain, you and me and all the other people with "the scar" will be effectively unprotected.

--Boris

25 posted on 12/18/2002 7:56:08 PM PST by boris
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To: 2sheep
I have had the old type of small-pox vaccine at least three times. At least once as a child (might have been more than once, I can't remember), and twice while in the U.S.M.C.

Except for baldness, I can't report any bad effects. :)

26 posted on 12/18/2002 8:07:03 PM PST by LibKill
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To: ALS
Thanks for that excellent post. Here's another source of information concerning the true history of the smallpox vaccine...

The Case Against Vaccination Verbatim Report of AN ADDRESS By WALTER HADWEN J.P., M.D., L.R.C.P., M.R.C.S., L.S.A., Etc (Gold Medalist in Medicine and in Surgery)

27 posted on 12/18/2002 8:08:46 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: ALS
Some more information concerning the smallpox vaccine..

Smallpox
by Ian Sinclair.

In England, compulsory vaccination against smallpox was first introduced in 1852, yet in the period 1857 to 1859, a smallpox epidemic killed 14,244 people. In 1863 to 1865, a second epidemic claimed 20,059 lives. In 1867, a more stringent compulsory vaccination law was passed and those who evaded vaccination were prosecuted. After an intensive tour year effort to vaccinate the entire population between the ages of 2 - 50, the Chief Medical Officer of England announced in May 1871 that 97.5% had been vaccinated. In the following year, 1872, England experienced its worst ever smallpox epidemic which claimed 44,840 lives. Between 1871-1880, during the period of compulsory vaccination, the death rate from smallpox leapt from 28 to 46 per 100,000 population.

Writing in the British Medical Journal (21/1/1928 p116) Dr L Parry questions the vaccination statistics which revealed a higher death rate amongst the vaccinated than the unvaccinated and asks:

"How is it that smallpox is five times as likely to be fatal in the vaccinated as in the unvaccinated?

"How is it that in some of our best vaccinated towns - for example, Bombay and Calcutta - smallpox is rife, whilst in some of our worst vaccinated towns, such as Leicester, it is almost unknown?

"How is it that something like 80 per cent of the cases admitted Into the Metropolitan Asylums Board smallpox hospitals have been vaccinated, whilst only 20 per cent have not been vaccinated?

"How is it that in Germany, the best vaccinated country in the world, there are more deaths in proportion to the population than In England - for example, in 1919, 28 deaths in England, 707 In Germany; In 1920, 30 deaths In England, 354 In Germany In Germany In 1919 There were 5,012 cases of smallpox with 707 deaths; in England In 1925 There were 5,363 cases of smallpox with 6 deaths. What is the explanation?

In Scotland, between 1855-1875, over 9,000 children under 5 died of smallpox despite Scotland being, at that time, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. In 1907- 1919 with only a third of the children vaccinated, only 7 smallpox deaths were recorded for children under 5 years of age.

In Germany, in the years 1870-1 871, over 1,000,000 people had smallpox of which 120,000 died. 96% of these had been vaccinated. An address sent to the governments of the various German states from Bismarck, the Chancellor of Germany, contained the following comments:

"... the hopes placed in the efficacy of the cowpox virus as preventative of smallpox have proved entirely deceptive".

In the Philippines, prior to US takeover in 1905, case mortality from smallpox was about 10%.  In 1905, following the commencement of systematic vaccination enforced by the US Government, an epidemic occurred where the case mortality ranged from 25% to 50% in different parts of the islands. In 1918-1919 with over 95% of the population vaccinated, the worst epidemic in the Philippine's history occurred resulting in a case mortality of 65%. The highest percentage occurred in the capital Manila, the most thoroughly vaccinated place. The lowest percentage occurred in Mindanao, the least vaccinated place owing to religious prejudices. Dr V de Jesus, Director of Health, stated that the 1918-1919 smallpox epidemic resulted in 60,855 deaths. The 1920 Report of the Philippines Health Service contains the following comments:

"From the time in which smallpox was practically eradicated In the city of Manila to the year 1918 (about 9 years) in which the epidemic appears certainly In one of its severest forms, hundreds after hundreds of thousands of people were yearly vaccinated with the most unfortunate result that the 1918 epidemic looks prima facie as a flagrant failure of the classic Immunization towards future epidemics".

In Japan, 1885, 13 years after compulsory vaccination commenced in 1872, a law was passed requiring re-vaccination every seven years. From 1886 to 1892, 25,474,370 revaccinations were recorded in Japan. Yet during this same period Japan had 156,175 cases of smallpox with 38,979 deaths representing a case mortality of nearly 25%. In 1896, Japanese Parliament passed another act requiring every Japanese resident to be vaccinated and re-vaccinated every 5 years. Between 1889 and 1908, there were 171,611 smallpox cases with 47,919 deaths, a case mortality of 30%. This case mortality exceeds the smallpox death-rate of the pre-vaccination period when nobody was vaccinated. It is noteworthy that Australia, one of the least vaccinated countries in the world for smallpox had only three smallpox cases. In 15 years, in comparison with Japan's record of 165,775 cases and 28,979 deaths in only 6 years of compulsory vaccination and re-vaccination.

In an article, Vaccination In Italy' which appeared In the New York Medical Journal, July 1899, Chas Rauta, Professor of Hygiene and Material Medical in the University of Perguia, Italy, points out:

"Italy is one of the best vaccinated countries in the world, if not the best of all, for twenty years before 1885, our nation was vaccinated in the proportion of 98.5%. Notwithstanding, the epidemics of smallpox that we have had have been something so frightful that nothing before the invention of vaccination could equal them. During 1887, we had 16,249 deaths from smallpox; in 1888- 18,110 and 1889, 131413".

Professor Rauta has stated:

"Vaccination is a monstrosity a misbegotten offspring of error and ignorance; it should have no place in either hygiene or medicine ....Believe not in vaccinaton, it is a world-wide delusion, an unscientific practice, a fatal superstition with consequences measured today by tears and sorrow without end'.

From his book, The Vaccination Superstition, Dr J W Hodge writes:

"After a careful consideration of the history of vaccination gleaned from an impartial and comprehensive study of vital statistics, and pertinent data from every reliable source, and after an experience derived from having vaccinated 31000 subjects, I am firmly convinced that vaccination cannot be shown to have any logical relation to the diminution of cases of smallpox....

"Vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more susceptible by depressing vital power and diminishing natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated'.

In the USA, June 25th, 1937, Dr William Howard Hay addressed the Medical Freedom Society on the Lemke Bill to abolish compulsory vaccination. He stated:

"l have thought many times of all the insane things we have advocated in medicine, that is one of the most insane - to insist on the vaccination of children, or anybody else, for the prevention of smallpox when, as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove that vaccination saved one man from smallpox....

"I know of one epidemic of smallpox comprising nine hundred and some cases, in which 95 per cent of the infected had been vaccinated, and most of them recently....

"it is now thirty years since I have been confining myself to the treatment of chronic disease ... I have run across so many histories of children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who... have never seen a well day since....

"In England, where statistics are kept a little more frankly and accurately and above board... than in this country the actual official records show 3 times as many deaths directly from vaccinations as from smallpox for the past twenty one years... I will guarantee you that there are 3 times as many deaths that were not recorded, that are directly traceable to vaccinations. That doesn't take into account the many many cases of encephalitis or sleeping sickness, and of this or that form of degeneration, that occurs as the result of vaccination....

"it is nonsense to think that you can Inject pus - and it is usually from the pustule end of the dead smallpox victim... it is unthinkable that you can inject that into a little child and in any way improve its health. What is true of vaccination is exactly as true of all forms of serum immunization, so called...if we could by any means build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we can't do it....

"The body has its own methods of defence. These depend on the vitality of the body at the time. If it is vital enough, it will resist all infections; if it Isn't vital enough, it won't, and you can't change the vitality of the body for the better by introducing poison of any kind into it".

According to the official figures of the Register General of England only 109 children (under 5) in England and Wales died of smallpox in the twenty-three years ending December 1933, but 270 died of vaccinations in the same period in these two countries. Between 1934 and 1961, not one smallpox death was recorded and yet during this same period 115 children under 5 years of age died as a result of the smallpox vaccination. This ultimately forced the government to repeal the Vaccination Act for smallpox.

The situation was just as bad in the USA. An article in the July 1969 issue of Prevention Magazine stated that 300 children in the USA died from the complications of smallpox vaccine since 1948. Yet during that same period there was not one reported case of smallpox in the country. In October 1971, Dr Samuel Katz, Duke University Medical Centre, speaking at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Pediatrics said that an average of six to nine Individuals die each year from smallpox vaccinations. Authorities eventually abandoned the vaccine as Dr Archie Kalokerinos points out:

"About 10 - 15 years ago some of my colleagues in the United States gave me some very interesting information. They said that smallpox vaccination had been stopped, not because smallpox had been wiped out, but because they were having trouble with the vaccine. They would vaccinate an individual and that individual would give active smallpox to a contact. The whole thing was out of control and they weren't game to use it'.

This is probably why Professor Ari Zuckerman, a member of the World Health organisation's advisory panel on viruses has stated, "Immunization against smallpox is more hazardous that the disease itself'. Even the British Medical Journal (1/5/1976) states:

"It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection In Britain"'.

On May 11th 1987, the London Times ran a front-page story, headlines, "SMALLPOX VACCINE TRIGGERED AIDS VIRUS". The gist of the story was that, somehow, the World Health Organisation (WHO) in its efforts to eradicate smallpox in the third world, had triggered millions of AIDS cases in Africa, Haiti, and Brazil. A WHO adviser said:

"I thought it was lust a coincidence until we studied the latest findings about the reactions which can be caused by Vaccination. Now I believe the smallpox vaccine theory is the explanation to The AIDS explosion".

Health statistics from WHO reveal that the greatest spread of HIV (AIDS virus) Infection coincides with the areas having the most intensive vaccination programs. It has been speculated that smallpox vaccine given to millions throughout Africa, Haiti and Brazil has the potential to weaken the immune system of susceptible individuals. This can result in the dormant AIDS viruses present In such people to become activated and assume virulent powers. Dr Robert Gallo, America's number one AIDS researcher has stated:

"I have been saying for some years that the use of live vaccines such as that used from smallpox can activate a dormant infection such as HIV (AIDS)."

WHY VACCINATION CONTINUES

"The propaganda in favour of Immunization has won the minds of the masses and has Influenced medical thinking, and government and international measures, relating to disease control. This has been at the expense of methods which might have raised the real level of well-being of the people at risk. This begins to impinge upon the realms of politics and economics, for the gains are great In this area, and the truth is not always palatable. The removal of the idea of protection, via immunization, and the implementation of expensive measures to improve nutrition in countries which can hardly make ends meet, would not be welcome themes for politicians, even if they could be made to listen to the facts.------Leon Chaitow

"That vaccination continues to this day is not because of its 'assumed' benefits, but (1) because it yields millions of dollars profit to the Drug Industry, (2) because it is one of the foundation stones of Medical Science upon which they have undeservedly built their power and prestige, and for that reason, must remain In place, and (3) because the majority of the public, brainwashed by medical propaganda, and unwilling to think for themselves, blindly accept it."—Ian Sinclair

"If humanity Is to pass safely through its present crisis on earth, ft will be because a majority of individuals are now doing their own thinking". Buckminster Fuller

Reproduced with permission from Vaccination The "Hidden" Facts by Ian Sinclair, 5 Ivy St, Ryde NSW 2112, Australia. Ph (015) 294 817.

28 posted on 12/18/2002 8:17:28 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Publius6961; RightWhale; Fred Mertz; joesnuffy; FormerLurker; boris
>If it is voluntary, I might consider it.
>If it is mandatory, they will have to arrest me and strap me down.

>I won't bother to even try to explain why to you.

I understand.  You have truly been doing some reading.  It could be another "W.H.O. dunnit" for those who haven't.  There was talk some months ago of driving people into stadiums to force them to have a shot.  Something about that reminded me of this statement by Herr Kissinger:

"Today America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." ...Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evian-Les-Bains, France 1991
and this:
"The people always have some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. . . . This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector."  Plato (c. 427-347 B.C.), Greek philosopher. Socrates, in The Republic, bk. 8, sct. 565

29 posted on 12/18/2002 8:18:09 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: dodger
Before this is over, there will be over 95% voluntary compliance. We'll be lucky if people aren't fighting in the street over the vaccine. What's Tommy's problem anyway? He's old enough to have already survived at least one vaccination. This is so over the top, I can't believe he really said it. Maybe he's ready to move on.
30 posted on 12/18/2002 8:23:13 PM PST by Let's Roll
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To: Let's Roll
Do you care if the vaccine causes you to be more likely to succomb to smallpox?
31 posted on 12/18/2002 8:31:58 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: dodger
As for all you anti-vaccine types -- don't bother. If you are confused about basic demography, I shan't try to clear the motes from your eyes ....

If you've received the "vaccine", you better hope and pray that you're never exposed to smallpox...

32 posted on 12/18/2002 8:38:54 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: 2sheep
http://www.smallpox.gov/

Government site on smallpox. When I placed it under my favorites, the icon is a bunch of little red dots.

http://frist.senate.gov/2001/bioterrorism/

Senator Frist's bioterror webpage.

I would ask Frist, who is a doctor, if you should take vaccine. I wouldn't go by Thompson's opinion.

And I'm hoping Frist will replace Lott as Senate Maj leader. Or run for President in 2008.
33 posted on 12/18/2002 9:40:01 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: 2sheep
Read THIS and get in line for your shot.

--Boris

34 posted on 12/18/2002 9:41:27 PM PST by boris
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To: 2sheep
I won't be taking this vaccine. I would only if it would stop all that is coming to America. Smallpox is the least of our woes.
35 posted on 12/18/2002 9:43:55 PM PST by babylonian
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To: Let's Roll
I gather FormerLurker, our mutual correspondent, is a highly educated virologist. Ha.
36 posted on 12/18/2002 9:45:43 PM PST by dodger
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To: 11B3; FormerLurker; babylonian; Prodigal Daughter
>I'd sure like to see a poll among us here to see what percentage would/will take the shot when it is available. I'm betting that the percentage of us who will take it is higher than the percentage of those who belong to the other party.

Deception is rampant so most will probably take the shot.  I would like to see a poll on this question:

"Do you think the government is here to help you?"

38 posted on 12/18/2002 10:10:23 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: dodger
I gather FormerLurker, our mutual correspondent, is a highly educated virologist. Ha.

Are YOU? Do you even know any, or do simply believe everything you see on TV? Can you honesty say you've EVER looked into the history of the smallpox vaccine?

39 posted on 12/18/2002 10:19:26 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: boris
I'd like to see any REAL evidence that the smallpox vaccine works at all. As far as I can see, the "inventor" was a quack job of the highest order, and the vaccine was proven to be ineffective back in the 1700's. Due to propaganda, it led to forced vaccinations in the 1800's leading to the worst epidemics of smallpox in modern history.
40 posted on 12/18/2002 10:23:52 PM PST by FormerLurker
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