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The Firing Line is Shutting Down
TheFiringLine ^ | 12-18-02 | self

Posted on 12/18/2002 1:25:21 PM PST by backhoe

The Leading online forum for firearms enthusiast is closing down. Members here who belong, be advised:

-TFL's Final Days: And a Challenge to our Members--

-Alternate Site Suggestions-- Places to go when T.F.L. closes--


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: banglist
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1 posted on 12/18/2002 1:25:21 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
NO!!! Now what?
2 posted on 12/18/2002 1:26:25 PM PST by Puppage
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To: Puppage; Jim Robinson
All you need to do is ask JimRob to add a new Forum section....
3 posted on 12/18/2002 1:42:36 PM PST by r9etb
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To: *bang_list
Well darn!
4 posted on 12/18/2002 1:42:48 PM PST by Joe Brower
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To: *bang_list
Bang
5 posted on 12/18/2002 1:44:26 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: r9etb
He already did. It's called the bang list.
6 posted on 12/18/2002 1:55:24 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: backhoe
It has been a treasure of firearms information of all kinds.
7 posted on 12/18/2002 2:56:48 PM PST by RLK
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To: Puppage
If you'll follow that second link, TFL member Oleg Volk is trying to organize a substitute site to open before TFL closes. You can get his email by poking the correct icon, and he'll advise you when it's set up.
8 posted on 12/18/2002 3:22:30 PM PST by backhoe
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To: RLK
I believe TFL was the first forum I ever joined. Its technical infomation was superb, and the forum well-mannered. I frequently linked to it, and made some good friends there.

It will be sorely missed.

9 posted on 12/18/2002 3:24:42 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Man, if this just doesn't cap a crappy year for me. Here's the official announcement.

TFL to Close At End of 2002

To All Members;

TFL will cease operation on or about January 1, 2003. The entire site will remain up, in perpetuity, as a monument to what we have built together. The search function will continue also. However, new posts will not be possible after that time. New registrations have already been closed down to avoid confusion. The Buy/Sell Forums are now closed for new Posts…please use PM and Email to complete pending transactions. (The Private Messaging system may well survive the transition. If so, we’ll leave it up for your continued use.)

I know this is a shock to many, and you deserve an explanation. The answer is quite simple: I’ve been at this for more than four years and am simply burned out. Having taken on new commitments, I find my time more and more limited…to the point that 7 days is not a long enough week. As a result, I have allowed a lot of things to suffer, including management of TFL. While the Members and Staff have done an outstanding job of honoring our “culture” and goals, an endeavor such as this requires daily hands on management.

Some will ask. “Why not just appoint a new chair”. This is a very difficult question to answer and we’ve wrangled with it in the Staff Lounge, as I have personally. TFL was started by me in October 1998 as a Social Experiment: I believed that firearms discussion sites, with few exceptions, were being run improperly. I believed that, if we set up a site, without commercial advertisement and requested only your adherence to a few rules of polite behavior, it would be overwhelmingly successful in promoting Responsible Firearms Ownership.

Evidently, about 18,000 of you agreed. Today, TFL has a reputation for being the standard to meet in providing information, political insight and camaraderie for firearms enthusiasts around the globe. And so it is, that we end on a high note….with TFL still available as example and reference, long into the future. While the Staff is split regarding my decision, I believe I can say that I have their unanimous support in granting me the right to make this call.

We hardly intend to leave our Members in the cold. Even now plans are being drawn up for the launch of new firearms boards, and I encourage each of you to go forth and multiply. Take what you’ve taught us and what you’ve learned from us and teach it to others. Don’t set out to meet TFL standards: Surpass Them. Consider spending an hour less per week online…use that hour to get involved Politically; Go shooting; Get some fresh air….Teach Our Children about The Bill of Rights…all of them.

Is it possible we’ll be back? Perhaps. After all, I’m the one who will probably miss this place more than anyone. However, don’t expect to see that in the next few months. You have equipped each other to better promote the cause of Freedom in America….put it to good use.

On a personal note, I’ve made lifelong friends here: Staff and Members. We’ve done great work together: from beating HandGun Control into submission over their name. to making the JPFO Documentary, Innocents Betrayed a reality. I’ve learned more about myself, more about listening, more about loyalty and more about leadership here than any business school could possibly teach.

My special thanks and heartfelt admiration for a Volunteer Staff that, if it had a mind, could turn United Airlines around! Mykl, DC, Rob, Dennis, George H., Gary, Art, Al, Barclay, Bill, Bud, Byron, Dave, Denny, Don. Erick, George S., Harley, Ian, John, Johnnie, Justin, Mal, Marko, Matt, Oleg, Scott, Shawn, Son and Tamara. I’d follow any one of these people down the barrel of a cannon!

To our Members: before you email me, think about a few things:

- TFL emails are a large part of my time burden. Please don’t attempt to engage me in long conversations about this decision. It’s done.

- If you believe that we somehow “owe” it to you to continue, please don’t email us at all. We owe no debt that must be paid with indentured servitude; any more than you “owe” us for the last four years of free service.

- If you believe that TFL should be passed on to a successor, we’ll gladly comply: simply post the location of that successor board on the discussion thread below. We’ll take a look and if Staff approves, I’ll include the site in a final, permanent Announcement on all of the Forums, in addition to a mass email. In short, I don’t think any Member will be at a loss for a new home. But please don’t ask me to surrender the data files, so long as they remain available for reference.

Housekeeping issues:

- We suggest that all Members take this opportunity to check your profiles and email addys…many of them are not correct. (You should be able to change them even after we close the board to new posts.)

- To check your email address:

http://TheFiringLine.com/forums/mem...ion=editprofile - If you wish to make your email addy visible for members to be able to find you or be notified by email should someone send you a Private Message (PM):

http://TheFiringLine.com/forums/mem...ion=editoptions - To change your password:

http://TheFiringLine.com/forums/mem...on=editpassword

Member comment is encouraged...you deserve closure. But remember this: our legacy is not determined by the way we start things, but by the manner in which we end them. You needn’t agree with my decision, but I hope you’ll respect it.

Thank You and God Bless You All-

Rich Lucibella

10 posted on 12/18/2002 5:19:14 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
Thanks for posting that. With about 18,000 members, TFL was a big voice on the web- it will be missed.
11 posted on 12/18/2002 5:34:26 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Thanks for posting that. With about 18,000 members, TFL was a big voice on the web- it will be missed.

A bunch of us TFL expats are gathering over at guntalk.com. C'mon over and join us. BYOB.

12 posted on 12/18/2002 5:44:03 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: backhoe
Sorry, that's

http://www.Gun-Talk.com/

13 posted on 12/18/2002 5:49:09 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
Yeah, I'm signed up over there, and at http://www.familyfriendsfirearms.com/cgi-bin/fff/ultimatebb.cgi , but let's face it, it's not going to be the same. I've got high hopes for whatever Oleg's going to try to pull off, though

Tarawa (aka Drizzt)
14 posted on 12/18/2002 6:13:11 PM PST by tarawa
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To: tarawa
but let's face it, it's not going to be the same

Yeah, it's kind of an electronic diaspora, isn't it? Hope Oleg can pull it all together again.

15 posted on 12/18/2002 6:19:58 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
TFL was my second favorite site, after FR.
Ah well, the only constant in life is that
things change.
16 posted on 12/18/2002 7:15:00 PM PST by jrp
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To: backhoe
Good Evening All-

Wow, that is unfortunate news. Rich Lucibella explained himself quite clearly, so it looks like that ship has left port and RKBA enthusiasts will need to find a new "home" on the Web. Good, intelligent, well-mannered folks on that forum.

See y'all on the pages suggested for TFL expats! Another good one is http://www.bladeforums.com. Thanks for posting the news here, Backhoe.

~ Blue Jays ~

17 posted on 12/18/2002 9:54:54 PM PST by Blue Jays
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To: backhoe
Try THE ACCURATERELOADING FORUMS
at http://www.serveroptions.com/cgi-bi.../ultimatebb.cgi

I have been going there for a long time now.
18 posted on 12/18/2002 10:34:39 PM PST by Mr_Magoo
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To: Mr_Magoo
DAMN! Make that

http://www.serveroptions.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi
19 posted on 12/18/2002 10:35:43 PM PST by Mr_Magoo
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To: RogueIsland
Thanks for putting the info here!
20 posted on 12/19/2002 1:46:16 AM PST by backhoe
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