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Iraqi Report Could Prove Damaging to Germany
Deutsche Welle ^ | December 16, 2002 | Deutsche Welle

Posted on 12/17/2002 12:47:16 PM PST by RobFromGa

Iraqi Report Could Prove Damaging to Germany
Iraq’s declaration of its weapons programs contains explosive news for Germany, a Berlin paper has reported. The dossier is said to detail covert arms deals between German defense firms and Iraq.

Just as the heated debates within the German government over the role of German troops and equipment in a possible war against Iraq seem to be cooling down, another potential bombshell threatens to reignite the fires.

On Tuesday, the Berlin-based left-wing paper, Tageszeitung reported that aspects of the 12,000-page Iraqi report on Iraq's weapons programs, submitted to the U.N last week, could prove highly embarrassing for Germany.

The newspaper - believed to be the first to have access to the top-secret dossier - has written that the Iraqi declaration contains the names of 80 German firms, research laboratories and people, who are said to have helped Iraq develop its weapons program.

Germany, Iraq’s number one arms supplier?

The most contentious piece of news for Germany is that the report names it as the number one supplier of weapons supplies to Iraq. German firms are supposed to easily outnumber the firms from other countries who have been exporting to Iraq.

They have delivered technical know-how, components, basic substances and even entire technical facilities for the development of atomic, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction to Iraq right since 1975.

In some cases, conventional military and technical dealings between Germany and Iraq are said to date till 2001, ten years after the second Gulf war and a time when international sanctions against Saddam Hussein are still in place.

The paper reports that the dossier contains several indications of cases, where German authorities right up to the Finance Ministry tolerated the illegal arms cooperation and also promoted to it to an extent.

Wait and watch says German Finance Ministry

The German Finance Ministry has said that it will react to the report only once it has studied the Iraqi declaration.

"We’ll first wait till the report is in our hands," a spokesman from the ministry said on Tuesday.

The spokesman however said that the German government of the time in 1990 had informed the parliament about such German supplies to Iraq.

Ever since Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, there has been a strict embargo against the country. The spokesman said that there have been a few cases of violation of the embargo and the government has initiated investigations.

German military exports to Iraq nothing new

Explosive as the newspaper report may appear, it’s not the first of its kind.

For months rumors have been circulating in the German media of murky deals between German arms companies and businessmen with Iraq despite the rigid embargoes in place.

In October this year, a magazine of the German radio channel, Südwestrundfunk reported that electronics giant Siemens had delivered specialized technical equipment to Iraq for the treatment of kidney stones, but which could also under certain circumstances be used as a detonator for atom bombs.

Siemens insisted that the device could not be misused because it had commissioned an Iraqi company to regularly monitor the equipment. In fact the delivery was even sanctioned by the sanctions council of the U.N. and the Federal Office of Economics and Export Control (BAFA).

The latest newspaper report also touches upon the gray zone between medicine and armaments and writes of so-called dual-use goods that can be used for developing weapons as well as for civilian purposes.

The German government was apparently informed in 1999 of the delivery of such dual-use goods to Iraq, but is said to have turned a blind eye.

German defense firms conduct roaring trade with Baghdad

German arms companies in the meantime have been conducting booming business with Iraq in recent years. According to the German Federal Statistics Office, German military exports to Iraq have been steadily rising from year to year.

From annual exports amounting to 21,7 million euro in 1997, the volume of exports for the following year shot to some 76,4 million euro. The trend continued in 2001 with exports to Iraq bringing German firms profits in the range of 336,5 million euro.

German goods worth 226,2 million euro have already been shipped to Iraq in the first half of this year. Some of the official heavyweights in the export scene are the German electronics firm Siemens with medical equipment and energy distribution systems and carmaker DaimlerChrysler. Both are reported to rake in revenues worth double digit figures in the millions.

Chancellor Schröder in precarious situation

Though the German government has not officially reacted to the Iraqi declaration detailing its role in supplying Iraq with arms, there is little doubt that the issue is bound to stoke passions.

Ever since Chancellor Gerhard Schröder refused to be part of any military action in Iraq before the German general elections in September, Berlin’s relation to Washington has been a strained one.

German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder

With Schröder sticking to his pacifist line, but dithering over the level of cooperation with the U.S. in the case of a war against Iraq, the latest report is guaranteed to provide ammunition to the opposition who have strongly criticized Schröder’s policy towards America.

Another real fear is that Schröder’s image as a staunch pacifist might now be sullied if it emerges that Germany has all along been helping the very leader who it has been unwilling to topple, to stockpile his weapons.

The report could also provide the U.S. with an excuse to step up the pressure on Germany to give in to American military demands for deployment of German troops and use of German military equipment in the case of a military attack on Iraq.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: germany; iraq; weapons
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To: PoorMuttly
"Do you really think they are willing to take ground casualties, rather than do their killing from high altitude, or letting someone else do it, so that they can remain morally superior...in their own eyes ?"

'Course not. Then again, do you think we'll ASK?

61 posted on 12/17/2002 5:05:21 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: bobi
Pick and choose which propaganda you wish to disseminate on some other forum. If you wish to remain in this forum, I suggest one of the Trent Lott threads...you can join with Americans in bashing very aspect of mainstream America and our administraion on pretty much any one of them.

Don't post to me anymore.

62 posted on 12/17/2002 5:10:26 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: MrPeanut
"You are fast to come up with facts in support of Nazi Germany...."

I love it when people carefully pick and choose facts, then add some namecalling and false allegations for 'good measure'...YEP, ol' bobi has ME convinced!! German propaganda and name calling...it 'convinces' me every time.

63 posted on 12/17/2002 5:17:03 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: RobFromGa
It doesn't matter what country is selling what to whom, its all about money when you get to the nut cutting. Many companies here would be selling all sorts of things to the devil if it weren't for our laws, and still they get away with it at times.
64 posted on 12/17/2002 5:19:41 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: RobFromGa
...Iraqi Report Could Prove Damaging to Germany...

I always suspected that Schroeder and his pals campaigned against war on Iraq because they were afraid of exposing their bratworsts, and not because of their own national security.

65 posted on 12/17/2002 5:30:01 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: bobi
Ummm... you missed a very important part of the story -

It indicated that these arms deals and other trade was going on through 2001!

66 posted on 12/17/2002 5:31:32 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: DainBramage
"It doesn't matter what country is selling what to whom, its all about money when you get to the nut cutting"

Ah but it DOES matter what country is selling what to whom. People from many countries, including Germany, are CONSTANTLY beating the drums about how it's all the AMERICANS' doing because the EEEEEEVEEEEEEL AMERICANS sold all the weapons in the first place, and helped aided some defunct regime in (enemy here), usually DECADES ago, so WLL THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORD ARE AMERICA'S FAULT.

When the shoe winds up on the foot of one of these 'morally superior' countries, particularly ones which WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST WITHOUT AMERICAN MILITARY INTERVENTION, most of us will be d@mned quick on the payback trigger.

67 posted on 12/17/2002 5:32:00 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"I always suspected that Schroeder and his pals campaigned against war on Iraq because they were afraid of exposing their bratworsts, and not because of their own national security"

I've always suspected the same thing about Russia.

68 posted on 12/17/2002 5:34:59 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: RobFromGa

Let's not get too deep into the Germany-bashing here, folks. This is just the first leak. Let's not pretend we aren't going to find half the world selling stuff to Saddam Hussein. It won't surprise me if we find a half-dozen British and American firms in there, too.


69 posted on 12/17/2002 5:49:26 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Nick Danger
Let's not get too deep into the Germany-bashing here, folks

That would be an impossible task.

70 posted on 12/17/2002 5:52:08 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: cake_crumb
Ah but it doesn't really matter to them, because they aren't like you and I, they are like the drug dealer getting arrested and another one takes his place. You create a vacuum, and it will be filled. Hell, an Israeli arms dealer will sell arms to the enemy if he can. It's not always about the government or the country as a whole, it's about greed, and lack of concience.
71 posted on 12/17/2002 5:53:11 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: TheBattman
"It indicated that these arms deals and other trade was going on through 2001!"

Bobi has also been posting carefully screened bits of 'information' every 20 to 22 posts...no more than that. Every one of bobi's posts on this thread containes no quotes to refresh the memories of readers as to exactly WHICH poster bobi is replying to, OR why. The only way to get any sense out of bobis posts is to check the number of the post the reply was made to, and then scroll back to see what the heck bobi's post pertains to.

72 posted on 12/17/2002 5:55:12 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: MrPeanut
My father flew 8th Army Air Force over Germany in WW2. He told me before he died that Germany will work from generation to generation until they take the world.

Hah! Nowadays Germans won't work at all, and have stopped having new generations.

73 posted on 12/17/2002 5:55:38 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Nick Danger
"It won't surprise me if we find a half-dozen British and American firms in there, too."

America's 'fault' in this was established long ago. We just love to see the tables turned on the morally superior countries telling us it's all OUR fault (apparently thinking their own country was innocent of such barbaric behavior) and even calling our president a Nazi for wanting to oust a REAL Nazi.

Those who live in glass houses....

74 posted on 12/17/2002 6:09:06 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: DainBramage
"You create a vacuum, and it will be filled. Hell, an Israeli arms dealer will sell arms to the enemy if he can. It's not always about the government or the country as a whole, it's about greed, and lack of concience"

Agreed about greed. However, it's Gerhardt who deserves the tweak. America has been thoroughly bashed for having aided the mujahadeen fighting Soviet occupation and 'causing' the Taliban regime, and for the CDC providing anthrax and ...LOL...West Nile virus to Saddam (even if the samples WERE inert, and Saddam can get anthrax tissue samples from any Third World pasture and West Nile virus originated in his neck of the woods - identified in the 1940's - who cares LETS BLAME AMERICA)

So...money and greed has nothing to do with this. IMO, Gerhardt's earned a few tweaks.

75 posted on 12/17/2002 6:15:24 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: RobFromGa
http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/12/iraq120702.pdf

Ok boys and girls. That is a link to the index of the report submitted by the Iraqies.

Can some one get Chapter 10 and the chapter on foreign procurement pleaseeee!

76 posted on 12/17/2002 6:47:18 PM PST by bobi
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To: bobi
The UN report has already been noted to be very incomplete. Only 18 posts, this time.
77 posted on 12/17/2002 7:00:29 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: RobFromGa
And we thought the French were such whores.
78 posted on 12/17/2002 7:13:48 PM PST by oyez
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To: PoorMuttly

Verrrry Innterrrrestink !

79 posted on 12/17/2002 7:56:10 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: HaveGunWillTravel
How can this be? I thought Germany was against war.

Principled pacifism is one thing, and respectable people can support it (though I do not.) What the Germans are up to is unprincipled, opportunistic embargo-breaking. They don't want inspections or invasion because they know that all of the machines in Saddam's nastiest poison factories will be marked Made in Germany.

"No blood for oil" my @$$. The Germans are happy to trade blood for oil, as long as it is the blood of innocent Israelis and Americans.

-ccm

80 posted on 12/17/2002 11:51:50 PM PST by ccmay
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