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Big Drug War News (Congressman Dan Burton on the drug war)
The Agitator ^ | 17 December 2002 | Radley Balko

Posted on 12/17/2002 9:39:06 AM PST by Joe Bonforte

In a little noticed hearing of the House Government Reform Commnittee last week, Indiana Congressman (my homeotwn's Congressman actually) and longtime drug warrior Dan Burton made some stunning comments. In a hearing entitled "America's Heroin Crisis, Colombian Heroin and How We Can Improve Plan Colombia," Burton stopped just a hair short of advocating the decriminalization of drugs. Watch the video here (cut forward to 1 hour, 18 minutes into the hearing). Here's the transcript:

Dan Burton: I want to tell you something. I have been in probably a hundred or a hundred and fifty hearings like this at various times in my political career,. And the story is always the same. This goes back to the sixties. You know, thirty or thirty five years ago. And every time I have a hearing, I hear that people who get hooked on heroin and cocaine become addicted and they very rarely get off of it. And the scourge expands and expands and expands. And we have very fine law enforcement officers like you go out and fight the fight. And you see it growing and growing, and you see these horrible tragedies occur. But there is no end to it.

And I see young guys driving around in tough areas of Indianapolis in cars that I know they can’t afford and I know where they are getting their money. I mean that there is no question. A kid can’t be driving a brand-new Corvette when he lives in the inner city of Indianapolis in a ghetto. You know that he has gotta be making that money in someway that is probably not legal and probably involves drugs.

Over seventy percent of all crime is drug-related. And you alluded to that today. We saw on television recently Pablo Escobar gunned down and everybody applauded and said “that’s the end of the Medellín cartel. But it wasn’t the end. There is still a cartel down there. They are still all over the place. When you kill one, there’s ten or twenty or fifty waiting to take his place. You know why? Its because of what you just said a minute ago, Mr. Carr, Mr. Marcocci (sp). And that is that there is so much money to be made in it ­ there is always going to be another person in line to make that money.

And we go into drug eradication and we go into rehabilitation and we go into education, and we do all of these things... And the drug problem continues to increase. And it continues to cost us not billions, but trillions of dollars. Trillions! And we continue to build more and more prisons, and we put more and more people in jail, and we know that the crimes ­ most of the time ­ are related to drugs.

So I have one question I would like to ask all of you, and I think this is a question that needs to be asked. I hate drugs. I hate people who succumb to drug addiction, and I hate what it does to our society. It has hit every one of us in our families or friends of ours. But I have one question that nobody ever asks, and that is this question: What would happen if there was no profit in drugs? If there was no profit in drugs, what would happen. If they couldn’t make any money out of selling drugs, what would happen?

Carr: I would like to comment. If we made illegal... what you are arguing then is complete legalization?

Dan Burton: No I am not arguing anything. I am asking the question. Because we have been fighting this fight for thirty to forty years and the problem never goes way...

....Well I don’t think that the people in Colombia would be planting coca if they couldn’t make any money, and I don’t think they would be refining coca and heroin in Colombia if they couldn’t make any money. And I don’t think that Al Capone would have been the menace to society that he was if he couldn’t sell alcohol on the black market ­ and he did ­ and we had a horrible, horrible crime problem. Now the people who are producing drugs in Southeast Asia and Southwest Asia and Colombia and everyplace else. They don’t do it because they like to do it. They don’t fill those rooms full of money because they like to fill them full of money. They do it because they are making money.

At some point we to have to look at the overall picture and the overall picture ­ and I am not saying that there are not going to be people who are addicted ­ they are going to have to be education and rehabilitation and all of those things that you are talking about - but one of the parts of the equation that has never been talked about ­ because politicians are afraid to talk about it ­ this is my last committee hearing as Chairman. Last time! And I thought about this and thought about this, and thought about this. And one of the things that ought to be asked is “what part of the equation are we leaving out?” And “is it an important part of the equation?” And that is ­ the profit in drugs. Don’t just talk about education. Don’t just talk about eradication. Don’t just talk about killing people like Escobar, who is going to be replaced by somebody else. Let’s talk about what would happen if we started addressing how to get the profit out of drugs.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if, twenty years from now, we could look back at law-and-order Dan Burton's conversion as the "Nixon goes to China" turning point of the drug war?


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To: Texaggie79
Many PLANTS are poisonous
or deadly if consumed
FEW are illegal to possess
201 posted on 12/17/2002 3:21:32 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: PaxMacian
I don't go through life asking myself if this or that has a COMMANDMENT against it. Where is the commandment to not get drunk? You think that means I can get silly drunk and not go against God?
202 posted on 12/17/2002 3:22:16 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: PaxMacian
We aren't talking legality. You brought up God's take on the issue.
203 posted on 12/17/2002 3:22:55 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Proverbs 31: 6-7 "Give intoxicating liquor, you people, to the one about to perish, and wine to those who are bitter of soul. Let one drink and forget one's poverty, and let one remember one's own trouble no more."
204 posted on 12/17/2002 3:23:51 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: Texaggie79
However, I have never been able to understand the benefits of all out legalization.
191 ta79

That may be because you lack an understanding of how a true free republic would benefit its citizens.
Read more post civil, pre WW1 history. - We had a true 'great society' in the making, -- once.

205 posted on 12/17/2002 3:27:12 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Texaggie79
You conveniently left out the most relevant of 3 definitions for HERB
a plant or plant part valued for its medicinal, savory, or aromatic qualities
206 posted on 12/17/2002 3:27:27 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: Texaggie79
Tough question. Thing is, if people start looking to chemicals to help a problem they have that isn't chemical to begin with (such as depression, or bloodpressure) then they would tend to gradually use more and more amounts of it.

That's true, provided the problem is chronic and systemic. Many times the problems are temporary and situational. We give our own military flight crews amphetamines for trans-oceanic missions.

207 posted on 12/17/2002 3:29:28 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: PaxMacian
DRINK does not equal DRUNKENNESS. Do you REALLY want me to pull all the scriptures on drunkenness and God's feelings about it?
208 posted on 12/17/2002 3:33:25 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: tpaine
Great with the heroine addiction skyrocketing out of control? mmmmm
209 posted on 12/17/2002 3:34:15 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: PaxMacian
I won't deny the medicinal purpose of weed. But as a common use? It ain't in God's plan.
210 posted on 12/17/2002 3:35:24 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: tacticalogic
Exactly. To take for a certain circumstance that goes beyond the norm is totally different that needing it to just get by, day by day.
211 posted on 12/17/2002 3:36:40 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Exactly. To take for a certain circumstance that goes beyond the norm is totally different that needing it to just get by, day by day.

Yes. And our current policy pretty much dictates that if those circumstances arise, and someone goes looking for chemical assistance all they're going to find available are the most concentrated, potent, and potentially addictive forms.

212 posted on 12/17/2002 3:43:33 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Texaggie79
pull'em out!
Nobody will equate
stoned to drunken
213 posted on 12/17/2002 3:45:09 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: Texaggie79
I think the legal question should only come into play when others are threatened. I believe that HARD drug users are a threat to their neighbors. Physically, financially, socially.
198 - ta79


We have a constitutional legal system to address your fears of such 'threats', aggie.

It is being sidestepped by unconstitutional prohibitory laws, written by a moral majority of folks who 'feel' exactly like you.
THAT is exactly our problem. -- How do we address your fears? Fears that have no real basis? 'Threats' that cannot be specified?
214 posted on 12/17/2002 3:45:55 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Texaggie79
Are you so certain?

I would like to point out that "kaneh-bosm", in traditional Hebrew is kaneh or kannabus, mistranslated into the
septaugint as calamus, a common marsh plant with little value and none of the qualities ascribed to
kaneh-bosm. The root 'kan' means "reed" or "hemp", while bosm means "aromatic". This word appears five
times in the Old Testament each in a positive light; in the books of Exodus, the Song of Songs, Isaiah,
Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.
215 posted on 12/17/2002 3:48:48 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: widowithfoursons
Even a blind pig runs across the occasional acorn.

L

216 posted on 12/17/2002 3:50:43 PM PST by Lurker
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To: PaxMacian
Why not venture into the New Testiment? Intoxication is not looked well upon.
217 posted on 12/17/2002 3:56:48 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Actually, yes, it WAS a power grab. AND an effort to control the lives of various minority groups. If you look at the rhetoric and the rationale for the various laws, you can see that specific groups were targeted with each set of controls. The Chinese (smokable opium); Indians (Peyote); Blacks (Heroin, initially, pot later); Mexicans (Pot, cocaine) and so on and so forth, ad nauseum... Since Nixon, it has spread to be control over ALL our lives. Actually, since LBJ's LEAA, THEN Tricky Dick's drug kingpins....
218 posted on 12/17/2002 4:01:47 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Texaggie79
Prohibition had ended and they had to find something to do with the soon-to-be unemployed federal prohibition agents.
219 posted on 12/17/2002 4:01:49 PM PST by mvpel
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To: Texaggie79
Didn't Jesus turn water to wine?
220 posted on 12/17/2002 4:03:26 PM PST by PaxMacian
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