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'Right to bear arms' decision would improve gun control
USA Today ^ | James B. Jacobs

Posted on 12/16/2002 8:10:29 PM PST by Dallas

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To: Squantos; Travis McGee; harpseal; SoothingDave
I see your point, and thank you all for the clarification.
Perhaps I should not attempt to interpret the Constitution while pumped full of sudafed.

Regards, Slim

61 posted on 12/17/2002 11:16:22 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Keep the ideas coming, good , bad or chemically enhanced :o)....I'm here to learn .

Hope yer cold gets better !!

Stay Safe !!

62 posted on 12/17/2002 11:38:20 AM PST by Squantos
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To: Squantos
This threads a keeper! That's for sure.

Regards, Slim

63 posted on 12/17/2002 11:41:01 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Wow, I am stunned, what a classy response! That is one for the books! Have a great day!
64 posted on 12/17/2002 12:07:14 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I would maintain that "well regulated" in regards to militia indicates that it is an entity of local or state government (not federal) and not a "mob".

Sorry, but you're not reading the words based on the meaning at the time: Here's a direct quote from Federalist 29, by Alexander Hamilton, completely in context:

The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.

In context, "well regulated" means properly performing, or well disciplined, when referring to soldiers. This jives with a definition from 1690, as found in the Oxford English Dictionary, 1989, 2nd Ed.

It has nothing to do with control by any entity. It simply means what it says.

Mark

65 posted on 12/17/2002 3:40:54 PM PST by MarkL
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I think the most chilling part is the phrase "once the Constitution is eliminated...." Don't these goof balls realize that once the Second is gone the First will be NEXT!!!!

The First is already gone, to a degree. Look at campus speech codes. Try using the word "niggardly" in a Washington DC City Council meeting. The Left does not care about Law, they care about Power. They have confidence that they will be able to raise a mob to intimidate anyone who disagrees with them. That's why they need to disarm the middle class -- an armed man is very hard to intimidate, and it's even harder to recruit a mob of rent-a-thugs to go against him

66 posted on 12/17/2002 4:06:53 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: MarkL
In context, "well regulated" means properly performing, or well disciplined, when referring to soldiers. This jives with a definition from 1690, as found in the Oxford English Dictionary, 1989, 2nd Ed.

It has nothing to do with control by any entity. It simply means what it says.

Agreed. Among the definitions of "regulate" the one most appropriate to the Second Amendment (actually, the entire Constitution, esp. Article 1, Sec 8) is "to keep in good working order". As in to "regulate" a clock so that it keeps proper time.

67 posted on 12/17/2002 4:15:25 PM PST by tacticalogic
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