Italian firebrand takes her fight to the ‘Islamo-fascists’ (ORIANA FALLACI ALERT)

The Sunday Times ^ | December 15, 2002 | Sarah Baxter

[Publius6961]

Truer words have never been spoken.

What is hard to understand is... why is Oriana so intent on reminding them?
Me? I don't care if they know it or not.

[A_perfect_lady]

I'm sure there are good, virtuous, kindly Muslims out there. But as time goes on, I wonder where "there" is.

I hear there is a nice little deli in the northern part of Ankara, Turkey, run by two old brothers who never married. I think they're the ones.

[junta]

I think there is a misprint in the article. It should read, "Movement for Racism", against the West that is.

[VOA]

I hear there is a nice little deli in the northern part of Ankara, Turkey...

Well, Turkey does seem to be one of the few islands of sanity in the Muslim world.
The Israeli Air Force trains there (hard to train over Israel when you have to turn
around your jet every few minutes to stay in the border of your country!).
And a Christian ministry filmed a series on Bible history in Turkey...
no shooting, no threats, etc.

Too bad to hear that some more pro-Islamic types were voted into office
recently, if I understand it correctly.

[freedumb2003]

"You keep throwing around words like "Fallaci Alert", and pretty soon Bill Clinton will start lurking here...at least until his 'reading and comprehension' skills improve a bit. "

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[Sparta]

Maybe there is hope for Europe after all.

[Travis McGee]

What a woman!

[Lael]

The Israeli Air Force trains there

Turkey put out the invitation to Spanish Jews in 1492 after they were kicked out of Spain.

Today, about one percent of Turkey's population is Jewish.

[Kenny Bunk]

There seems to be a lot of sympathy for Turkey, her 'democratic' government, "enlightened way of life," etc. etc. developing on the site.

Folks, one ought to preface such remarks with "at least in comparison with Syria, or Iran." Yes, Turkey is a "secular" Muslim nation. But it is in very grave danger of becoming less "secular" with every passing day. It has never evolved a government structure that was able to better the lives of most of its citizens. In all fairness, it has tried mightily. However, now, the fundamentalists are gaining massive strength and are a real threat to undo the decades of progress.

[Tribune7]

Maybe not. She lives in New York.

[SeenTheLight]

The military will stage a coup and take over if the Islamists get out of hand...at least I hope so.

[SevenDaysInMay]

Pax Americana has allowed two generations of Europeans to landscape their grave yards. Aside from the post-war peace during which socialists pretended that socialism actually worked, the sharia in Eurabia will bring social order missing throughout 20th Century Europe.

[Travis McGee]

If the mighty secular Attaturk bred Turks can't control Islamic fanaticism, it can't be controlled anywhere.

[Cacique]

Just recently bought a copy of her book "The Rage and The Pride", the translation is made by herself into English. I have tyo see ifd Rizzoli has a copy of the Italian as well. It should be a good read.

I will scan selct pasages via OCR when I get a chance and post them on FR.

[A_perfect_lady]

Too bad to hear that some more pro-Islamic types were voted into office recently, if I understand it correctly.

Yes, we'll have to see how that pans out. Fundamentalists in Turkey, Marxists in Brazil, Zimbabwe fixing to nationalize the gas stations... this world is sinking fast.

[Turbo Pig]

A_perfect_lady wrote: "Fundamentalists in Turkey, Marxists in Brazil, Zimbabwe fixing to nationalize the gas stations... this world is sinking fast."

A fundamentalist Islamic govenment unseated in Ahfganistan, the backers of Islamic fundamentalism exposed, the potential for Iraq to shed a tyrant, freedom loving people taking to the streets in Venezula, a turn away from socialism (even if a small turn) in America. All in all, for every bad thing you can point out, you can probably find a good thing to counter point it.

Read the term Pax Americanus. I have faith, the peace created in the mid 20th century by the US and her allies will pale in comparison to what will be created in the 21st century and beyond.

[1rudeboy]

"Its success has persuaded her that a politically correct elite is out of step with public opinion.

We are the world,
We are the children,
We are the ones who make a better day
So lets start giving.

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[headsonpikes]

Kudos to Oriana!

Meanwhile, in Canada, the leftists continue their shameless arse-licking of the Islamo-terrorists.

We're coming to a cross-road, folks.

[MadIvan]

Meanwhile, in Canada, the leftists continue their shameless arse-licking of the Islamo-terrorists.

It is really time that the Left came to terms with the fact that they have been wrong about virtually every important issue for over a century.

They believed that nationalising industries would be "fairer" and help the country to prosper. Nothing of the kind happened.

Many believed the USSR was a noble experiment. It killed 40 million of its own people and was a dreadful place to live. They also believed it could be dealt with peacefully - it took a principled, firm American President who stood up to the USSR to make it collapse.

They believed that redistributing wealth and government benefits would not hinder the nation. They believed that the lifting of sexual taboos would be not problematic. They believed that Middle Eastern culture, which binds women into servitude and ignorance is just as valid as Western culture.

Each and every time, they have been wrong. One wonders when the point is reached when they realise the tension between reality and their beliefs is untenable.

Regards, Ivan

[headsonpikes]

To your #39 I would add that this malicious ignorance by the Left has been pointed out to them since the early '40s by all sorts of writers, from ex-Marxists to Tories and libertarians.

Consider the power of self-delusion; it can vanish in a single moment, but it is fundamental to Socialism's prospects.

That's why all socialism tends to totalism-- if the people ever actually gave thought to their situation, they'd overthrow the regime in a day.