LOTT THREATENS TO QUIT THE SENATE IF FORCED FROM LEADERSHIP

Newsnight with Aaron Brown | 12/13/2002 | Jonathan Karl

[sinkspur]

Trent Lott, in a conference call with 27 GOP Senate Republicans today, said that he would leave the Senate if forced from the Leader position.

Jonathan Karl said three or four of the Senators viewed this as "blackmail," but that the majority still support Lott and want him to continue as Leader.

[P-Marlowe]

That's the way the democrats play. The democrats cheat. The democrats lie. The republicans are better than that. But when a republican leader hands the democrats an issue like this, one has to question the intelligence and leadership qualities of that man. If this is compounded by the fact that he has been totally ineffective as a leader and indeed, a political liability on all fronts, then its time to get a new leader.

Its Time to get a new Leader. If this is the issue that breaks the Elephant's back, then so be it. Let's not pile any more straw on that poor animal. Let's get someone who doesn't have all this baggage. And this time lets get someone who knows how to lead and not grovel.

[lavrenti]

Now that's a theme: "The Feller Who Wears a Feather."

I forgot who did it but someone around here took the Dim leader's face and imposed it on a pimp in full gear.

I wonder what his image should be. Fierce? Pierced? Trannie? Lanny Davis? Avis customer? Feather duster? Buster Douglas? A fungus among us?

I'm goin' to bed. Have to wake the wife, drag our daughter to meet friends and later go to a part in the Lower East Side with fellow artist/writer weirdos.

[lainde]

He's fighting back???!!!! He's volunteered to go on BET to grovel for goodness sake. Ever watched BET...90% of the content is despicable. His going there to "splain himself" gives it some kind of perverse legitimacy. If you only look at this pragmatically, how effective can he be in the future, trotting around giving mea culpas to media-designated black "leaders" like the black caucus, John Conyers, Jesse, Al, etc...And, of course, it will NEVER be enough. What a spectacle...Kind of like watching a cat playing with a mauled mouse. Let's not even think about what happens with the next conservative judicial nomination...If you think Pickering had a hard time, that was just the warmup with Lott as ML. It's not fair, but be sure, that will be his new, self-inflicted political reality...And the Republican partys' by association.

[lavrenti]

Last word: re 878.

Damn straight. We need comedy to cover the tragedy and anything Trent is involved with is so...like that, you know.

It's those stuck on stupid who wash away our tears and I'm trying hard not thinking about the reasons and ramifications of Henry bailing out on W.

[iconoclast]

You big bad bully ... I'm afraid you broke Dave's rosy glasses.

[L.N. Smithee]

Do you have any idea how many young blacks are gunned down routinely in the streets of todays America by other blacks?

Do you have any idea how many black kids don't have fathers because they are in the joint for murder, drugs, robbery etc?

Do you have any idea how many young inner city blacks are threatened into joining gangs that leaves many of them dead and bloody in the gutter or on their way to the local ER with sucking chest wounds?

Do you have any idea how many young blacks don't even know who their own fathers are today?

Do you have any idea how many blacks are locked in cages because they wanted to be like the guy down the block or on TV and play the gangster role.

So to answer your naive question, yes, I would have much rather been a black 50 years ago in American, than today.

No question about it.

As a black man who was born around the time the Civil Rights Act was signed into law, I say without fear of contradiction you're full of it.

My father was born in segregationist Alabama, joined the service after graduating high school, served overseas, fought in Korea, and came back to the West Coast. He never went back "home."

My father is not like the people that you outlined in your post. He has never served a day in jail, much less prison; he has been married to my mother coming up on half a century; he has suffered discrimination but has never been embittered by it.

Most of all, his experiences with some white people in the past did not cause him to be suspicious or dismissive of all of them.

He didn't pass along many of his stories about segregation or racist violence along to me because he didn't want to burden me with it. Race was a virtually a non-issue in our house. I was not indoctrinated with pride in my skin as a youth. When I was called racial epithets in school, I ignored it. I frankly didn't understand what other kids' problem was, and they would always get in trouble for harassing me.

My parents have lived outstanding, virtuous, and Godly lives that I can only hope to weakly imitate. But I cannot say for certain what each of their lives -- and thus, me and my siblings' lives -- might have been like if he had returned from the Pacific to a California that 'followed Mississippi's lead.'

From a post of mine yesterday:

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One of my strongest memories of my early years (pre-kindergarten) is when my mother took me and my sisters shopping, and I got my first real restaurant hamburger at the lunch counter at Woolworth's in downtown San Francisco. As I learned later in life, that's something my father never got to do.

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Thanks to my father and mother, I am today a black man who knows who his father is, who has never done drugs or abused alcohol, who has never been shot, and who has never been locked in a cage because I wanted to be like the guy down the block. (Even if I wanted to be like the guy down the block where I grew up, that would have meant being a decent, peaceful, hard-working good neighbor).

But all of that would have only gotten me so far in 1952. I would have been defined by my skin before anything else.

The problem with black society today is that it hasn't learned what my father did -- the bitterness of past injustice is poisonous. So much of black culture has to do with an inability to attain "The American Dream" that it becomes a perpetual self-fulfilling prophecy. Meanwhile, immigrants who formerly toiled in godforsaken lands just to reach USA poverty levels thrive once they arrive here, where their hard work pays off.

Although I detest this state's current politics, I am delighted that I was born in California, and grew up in San Francisco, where I have fond memories of childhood friends free of any hang-ups about mingling with people who didn't look like them. There is no doubt that things have swung too far in the opposite direction, but nonetheless, I can't for the life of me imagine living in a society like the one my father grew up in.

And neither can you.

In the future, try to talk about what you know. It makes you look smarter.

[L.N. Smithee]

First draft. I'm pretty fired up nowadays.

[Once-Ler]

This is just silly.
Lott makes an off the cuff remark and a bunch of holier-than-thou posters, who bemoan political correctness, bend over and start whineing "What will the media, the 'rats, and their 90% Dem voting plantation staff think?"

I guess they have never made a mistake before. Or perhaps Lott's crime is just too heneous to be forgiven.

This is, and always has been, a pathetic democrat power grab. Lott can not be forced to resign by the 'rats. It can only be done with the foolish assistence of the Republican party.

God must be watching out for our party since we seem to do our best to lose every chance we get. Our guys are always forced by the party to resign for their scandals. The Dems never eat their own even if they rape women.

Go Lott!
Lets play Hardball.
Some people in our party don't have the balls to stand up to race-baiter, Thankfully you have the balls to stand up to these I'm-not-a-racist-too-pansies.
These are the same LOSERS who said "If we just give them Newt they'll like us. Bob Livingstone would make a better Speaker anyways."

[lainde]

In re: Black polling. Very interesting, I almost never get polled. I think pollsters just pick stereotypical "black" zip codes and go from there. My theory is that black independents and conservatives have a high probability of not living in those targeted areas. So the black conservative block may be growing, albeit slowly, but the demographic tools may not be properly identifying the trend. I'll tell you this, I have more and more friends seeking me out to openly talk about "politics" and not spouting the democrats' party line. And they're doing it mixed company...Just 2 years ago it would have been considered "treasonous". Two contributing factors: The President and 9/11...I think anyone with a brain realizes (or should realize) who the real "enemy" is.

[Bluntpoint]

White run, state mandated segregation. Maybe you would have less fond memories if the blacks made the rules for you back then. The blacks chose what public accommadations you could use. The blacks chose what drinking fountain you could drink from. The blacks chose what seats were yours on the bus. The blacks chose what school your babys could go to. The blacks chose what colleges you could attend as a young adult. The blacks chose your place in the military would be just mess cooks.

And if you broke any of the blackman's rules, the blacks chose your punishment.



So to answer your naive question, yes, I would have much rather been a black 50 years ago in American, than today.

No question about it.


What a crock!!!!!!!!!

[Bluntpoint]

The blacks could choose when you were being an "uppity white" and punish you according.

[Bluntpoint]

The blacks could choose neighbor hood that you could live in.

[Bluntpoint]

You would have made a nice house slave. You seem to long for a time when others could make decisions for you.

[doosee]

Go Lott! Lets play Hardball. Some people in our party don't have the balls to stand up to race-baiter, Thankfully you have the balls to stand up to these I'm-not-a-racist-too-pansies. These are the same LOSERS who said "If we just give them Newt they'll like us. Bob Livingstone would make a better Speaker anyways."

The above I agree with. I cannot believe how many politically correct losers are in the Republican and conservative side here. Why stop with forcing Lott out. Let's make every guy who ever belonged to a "white" fraternity resign, or if you ate lunch at a "white" country club. How about if Nascar is your favorite sport, that is way tooo racist to be in the Senate. Let's also check and see who the Senators are that don't have a black neighbor within a half mile of their house, they must go. Of course, there is one big exception to all of this, Democrats get a pass.
I posted yesterday that the morons on the right would force Lott out and he will go ALL the way out. Hello little Tommy, Senate Majority Leader...... Way to go morons.

[Bluntpoint]

"NO COLORED NEED APPLY, GOOD TIMES, GOOD TIMES"

A loving memoir by Joe Hadenuf.

Author of:

"DIXIECRATS, WHEN PARTIES STOOD FOR SOMETHING"

and

"NEGROES? I REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE NIGG@RS"

[lainde]

Part of the problem is a failure to adequately communicate the current republican message. With the assistance of a hostile media assisting democrat spin doctors, Trent Lott's remarks have obfuscated that message to those who reflexively back away from anything perceived as possibly racist. It is very hard to have genuine dialog in an atmosphere where we presume ulterior or vicious motives from anyone who makes even makes a slip of the tongue.

<Joe, I do not believe you are advocating a return to the days of Jim Crow..Unless you wish to do so as a selective fantasy and ignore the entire reality of what it was like if you were not a member of the race-based power structure. You have a valid point that prior to the disastrous social engineering of the "great society" that razed the integrity of families, life was getting progressively better for blacks in terms of education and income. In fact, statistically, some of the greatest economic gains were actually made in the 1930's and 1940's under difficult circumstances (ie, the "great migration"). Putting the whole period that encompassed the Jim Crow era of 50 years ago in perspective...It was destructive and wasteful by ignoring the potential of a block of American society through the "separate but equal" contradiction. And I do not advocate a defacto "reverse separate-but-equal" social policy that is currently encouraged by current black leaders.

[Bluntpoint]

Other books by Joe Hadenuf:

"BABY OF THE INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE: THE BIRTH OF THE NEW WHITE NIGG@R"

RACE MIXING: WHY PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS HAVE NEVER BEEN THE SAME"

"LYNCHING: MORE THAN JUST A HANGING, A TIME TO GET TOGETHER WITH FRIENDS"

"BACK OF THE BUS: WHEN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WAS GOING IN MY WAY"

[Brian Allen]

Until now I was willing to cut the self-absorbed and self-serving, perk-pigging, gormless bloody KKKli'toon and other "DemocRATS"-appeasing RINO bastard some slack.

But if he is threatening that he either be permitted to become a bloody albatros around the GOP's neck -- or do a Jeffords and have Mississippi's fellow-"DemocRAT" guvvnah hand the Senate back to America's first-ever dictator, his cohort/buddy, Yasser Daschle, Principle and Moral Integrity must Rule and to Hell with Lott and his threats.

That kind of crap is for him and his fellow "DemocRATS."

And now the Evil bastard's arse must be made to hit the bloody street as he leaves!

To Hell with him!

[Bluntpoint]

If I was Bush, at every event that Lott showed up at for face time, I would push his ass in front of the microphone with the introduction: "Now, another apology from this pompous dumbass cracker."

[sneakypete]

Just what do you base that on?

Reality. That's recogonizing things are the way they really are,not the way you want them to be.

So, he fooled Texans for two terms and then the American people for election as president?

The reason the Texans liked him so much was because they recogonized he really is a Dim at heart. As for fooling the American people when he ran for president,he didn't fool anybody but those like you who WANTED to be fooled. Most of the rest of us voted for him because we didn't want to see Al Gore as president. Even then,after running against a idiot savant who is a PROVEN fool,he only won by a handful of votes,and wouldn't have even won then if Nader hadn't taken votes away votes from Goober in Florida.

Corporate communist? How utterly ridiculous. Just what "class" is he looking out for?

The same "class" he and his family are from,and the same "class" his good buddy,Teddy Kennedy is from.

Seems he eschews "class" for his ranch and family and friends.

Right. Sits out on a millionaire ranch and plays rancher.

His family does not need looking after -

Try telling that to Uncle Prescott and nephew Jorge "The Mexican" Bush,not me.

they are doing well.

Of course they are. One is a former president. You know,the one who threw Reagan's gains away and lost to Bubba-1 because his is a elitist piece of crap who ignored and hated conservatives? He's doing ok,pulling down his presidential pension,and doing stuff like selling 14 MILLION dollars worth of stock he got for making a speech to a company evertbody on FR criticised for doing biz with the Chinese.

Hey! Waddabout that Uncle Prescott? He's sure doing good! Then again,how could he be doing anything else,given that he used the contacts Bush-1 used as Ambassador to China to get into the business bed with the fascists who own China and all the slaves there. Hell,he even got his nephew,the current president (guess his name) to grant China PERMANENT "Most Favored Nation" trade status! This helped guarantee he and his fascist buddies would continue to profit by selling cheap goods at low prices produced by slave labor to companies like Wal-Mart. In return,WE (the US)get NOTHING. Other than the loss of more industries and jobs,that is.

We all know Hillary Clinton used to be on the Wal-Mart board of directors (and no doubt still is,under the table). We can only wonder which Bush relative or in-law is also profiting from this relationship. Other than Uncle Prescott,that is.

And finally,we get to Jeb Bush. How could he not be doing well? Not only is he the sitting governor of Florida,but his father WAS president,his brother IS president,and he is the father of the next Jorge Bush to be president. Look at all the money and oil contracts his wife's Mexican connections will be bringing the Bush family once they are successful at totally opening our borders and allowing illegal aliens to vote! Hey,Jeb and his family even used to vacation with the former president of Mexico! You know,the same one who now lives in Europe to keep from being arrested and tried in Mexico for graft and corruption. The guy whose brother is in jail for drug smuggling,murder,and corruption. THAT former Mexican president. Meanwhile,his brother Jorge is bestest buds with the current Mexican president. Kinda cozy,huh? Can't ya just FEEL the love?