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Religions change over time but is Islam an inherently violent religion?
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| December 10, 2002
| Bob Thomas
Posted on 12/13/2002 9:31:46 AM PST by Destro
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To: inspector
Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. In fact Stalin and Pol Pot both despised religion. Hitler, I believed was supposed to be either lutheran or catholic, but appears to have actually had pagan beliefs and was more or less a devout follower of some of the old nordic religions mixed with various pagan beliefs. He tried to more or less follow some of the now defunct religions of the past and mix it with his ideology. Its an interesting note, that for all of Hitlers anti-semitism, he himself rarely used the old anti-jewish logic of "they killed jesus, so kill them", his followers did use it, but it was not a primary reason. Pol Pot and Stalin feared islam and its grip. Stalin believed that it extremely dangerious to the Soviet Union, while Pol Pot believed it was the most fanatical of all the religions of the world. Hitler was intrigued by the devoutness of its followers, and sought to find a way to make the followers of nazism to be more like the muslims in there fervor.
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posted on
12/13/2002 10:09:23 PM PST
by
Sonny M
To: BrowningBAR
Hello BrowningBAR,
I've conceded in another posting that I should not have made that statement at all. It was not provable nor necessarily germane to the points I was attempting to make here.
I thank you for the link to the book by Mr. Craig. I have always had a deep interest in history and have an extensive collection of books in that regard, especially military history. I'll hunt down a collectible version of this book and read it with great interest.
Thank you,
V.T. Eric Layton
***Tempus Fugits***
vtel57@softhome.net
82
posted on
12/13/2002 10:15:42 PM PST
by
vtel57
To: BrowningBAR
OK, thanks.
83
posted on
12/14/2002 5:41:18 AM PST
by
stuartcr
To: Capt. Tom
Why should they challenge them. And on what grounds? The murderers are following the religion to the letter. Yes, that's right.
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posted on
12/14/2002 6:31:05 AM PST
by
Oberon
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To: vtel57
So...your anti Christian faith bias finally rears its head out of the murky depths of this discussion. As I see it the conversation hinged on whether you could see past your miunderstanding of islamic ideology and how religion does not change but people's perceptions do. You were unable to get past your anti Christina bias and that fact negated my attempt to engage in a logical discussion with you. Bottom line - if you cannot see past your anti Christian bias - this conversation (an honest attempt on my part) ends here.
86
posted on
12/14/2002 9:45:14 AM PST
by
eleni121
To: vtel57
I guess you missed the part in history where the Catholic Church was aiding
and abetting Hitler in his genocide of the Jewish people, huh?
Seeing how a number of Jews (including people of partial Jewish heritage)
served in the German military in WWII, it's not suprising that some Germans
(and add in Austrians, Norwegians, etc.) of almost any faith might have been willing
participants in the maelstrom.
(The uncovering of the Jews participating in the German military was on NBC DateLine
earlier this year, IIRC. The young collegian who pursued the project had been
told by his professors that he'd not find anything...so much for professors knowing everything...)
Anyway, the plans of the Nazis to go after Jews AND Christian groups is getting
aired by The Nuremberg Project.
There's an article about it at:
http://www.sjmagazine.com/0205feature1.asp
I think the actual scholarly reviews are being published by some law school
journal at Rutgers University...probably easily found via google.com.
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posted on
12/14/2002 11:03:21 AM PST
by
VOA
To: eleni121
Hi eleni121,
Actually, I don't have an "anti-Christian" bias. If you understood my points in my postings it would have been obvious to you that I have an "anti-religion" bias... there is a difference. I don't judge or spite people for their faiths or beliefs. If my aversion to religion keeps us from having further discourse, then I'm saddened, but so be it.
Regards,
V.T. Eric Layton
***Tempus Fugits***
vtel57@softhome.net
88
posted on
12/14/2002 2:04:57 PM PST
by
vtel57
To: BrowningBAR
Hi again, BrowningBAR...
I was able to obtain an older hardcover copy of Mr. Craig's book through one of my online book sources late last night. Hopefully, I'll be able to peruse it in a few days time. Again, thank for the civil discourse and the information.
Regards,
V.T. Eric Layton
***Tempus Fugits***
vtel57@softhome.net
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posted on
12/14/2002 2:07:11 PM PST
by
vtel57
To: VOA
Thank you, VOA...
That was an interesting article at that link you provided.
Regards,
V.T. Eric Layton
***Tempus Fugits***
vtel57@softhome.net
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posted on
12/14/2002 2:10:16 PM PST
by
vtel57
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