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Blogs 1, Reinhardt 0 (9th Circuit on 2nd Amendment)
Tech Central Station ^ | 12-12-02 | Pejman Yousefzadeh

Posted on 12/13/2002 5:41:17 AM PST by SJackson

Blogs 1, Reinhardt 0

By Pejman Yousefzadeh 12/12/2002

TCS

This past week, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals—which enjoys the dubious reputation of having had more of its decisions reversed by the United States Supreme Court than any other circuit—unburdened itself of a 69-page magnum opus written by Circuit Judge Stephen Reinhardt, arguing that Second Amendment rights are collective and not individual in nature. As such, the Ninth Circuit set up a conflict with the Fifth Circuit, which concluded in United States v. Emerson that the Second Amendment does confer an individual right to bear arms.

With its decision, the Ninth Circuit makes it likely that the United States Supreme Court will seek to resolve the conflict in circuits. Here is hoping that the High Court takes a more intellectually honest and rigorous look at the question. If it does, it should conclude that the Fifth Circuit, not the Ninth, got the question right.

Judge Reinhardt relies in large part on the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller to make his argument that Second Amendment rights are collective. Although he concedes that the decision in Miller was "cryptic," Judge Reinhardt cites the following passage to indicate that "what Miller does strongly imply, however, is that the Supreme Court rejects the traditional individual rights view:

In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.

The problem with Judge Reinhardt's analysis is that the Miller Court's discussion clearly centered on whether a particular shotgun with specific dimensions (a sawed-off shotgun) had a relationship to the preservation of a well-regulated militia, with the answer being no. This is an exceedingly narrow ruling, and did not constitute a declaration by the Court that Second Amendment rights are collective.

Judge Reinhardt then goes on to cite footnote 8 in Lewis v. United States, which states that "[T]he Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have 'some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia.'"

However, Judge Reinhardt completely misses the historical meaning of the term "militia," as law professor and Second Amendment expert Eugene Volokh points out in a passage that is worth quoting at length:

The Ninth Circuit repeatedly stresses that the right relates to "a military force established and controlled by a government entity," "not some amorphous body of the people as a whole" (p. 32). But nowhere does the Ninth Circuit acknowledge that this militia was essentially the adult white male able-bodied citizenry. Not a National Guard, not a small group of people chosen by the state, but pretty much everyone who mattered at the time (yes, I know it was limited to white males, but that was the 1790s for you), subject only to an 18-to-45 age restriction (which I suspect covered the great majority of people). Much more consistent with a right of the people—you and me—than if "militia" simply meant a National Guard.

You'd think that in a discussion of what "militia" means in the Second Amendment, the Ninth Circuit would quote the Supreme Court's statement as to what this means: "The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense." United States v. Miller (1939).

You'd think that the Ninth Circuit would quote the Militia Act of 1792 (enacted by Congress three years after Congress proposed the Second Amendment), which defined "militia" to include "each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective states, resident therein, who is or shall be of the age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years [subject to some narrow exceptions]"—and curiously the definition remains pretty much the same today.

You'd think that it would quote the four state ratifying conventions' calls for a right to bear arms, which all speak of a "well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms" or "capable of bearing arms."

But you'd be mistaken in so thinking, because the Ninth Court never quotes these sources.

The failure to quote Volokh's apt sources does not speak well to the scholarship or the intellectual rigor of the opinion. And that is another problem with Judge Reinhardt's opinion—it gets a number of quotations and historical arguments cited in support of the opinion blatantly wrong.

For example, in arguing that some of the founders "explicitly disparaged the idea of creating an individual right to personal arms," Judge Reinhardt cites precisely one quote from the Founders to make his argument:

For instance, in a highly influential treatise, John Adams ridiculed the concept of such a right, asserting that the general availability of arms would "demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government."

But as blogger and TCS contributor Stuart Buck points out, Judge Reinhardt did not provide the full quote from Adams, which is as follows:

To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.

Buck then goes on to explain that when Adams' words are properly considered in their full context, their meaning is decidedly different than what Judge Reinhardt maintains:

In other words, Adams was not arguing against an individual right to have arms. In fact, as the highlighted text above shows, he supported allowing private citizens, at their individual discretion, to use arms in "private self-defense." What he was writing about here was the necessity of legal control over the militia—in other words, he didn't want to have a bunch of vigilantes running around purporting to be a military.

This is not the only instance in which Judge Reinhardt gets the facts wrong. Blogger Clayton Cramer notices yet another mistake by Judge Reinhardt—this one having to do with representations made in footnote 37 of the Ninth Circuit's opinion. The footnote in Judge Reinhardt's opinion reads as follows:

. . . both George Washington and Henry Knox, who was to become the nation's first Secretary of War in the Washington Administration, urged the creation of a standing national military force, to no avail. . . .Washington in particular felt that the need was acute; in 1783 he wrote a document entitled Sentiments On A Peace Establishment, in which he recommended establishing a national militia that would exist along with those maintained by the individual states. Subsequently, he wrote to John Adams in the wake of Shays's Rebellion that because of the lack of a unified national military force, "[w]e are fast verging to anarchy and confusion!"

Unfortunately, it appears that Judge Reinhardt misrepresented Washington's opinion on the issue. After quoting Washington's letter in full, Cramer points out the following:

Now, Washington certainly mentions the Shays's Rebellion in this letter—after discussing "anarchy and confusion!" But there isn't any discussion of "because of the lack of a unified national military force." One might at least as fairly assume that Washington was referring to the problems of finances and the previous inability of Congress to vote for a "paper emission." Washington was definitely a supporter of a standing army, having found militias to be a "weak reed" upon which to rely. But this letter is quite a bit more ambiguous than either Bellesiles's representation of it, or Reinhardt's representation of Bellesiles.

Thus, once again, it appears that Judge Reinhardt did not allow the historical facts so important to a correct ruling on the Second Amendment to get in the way of his zeal to argue that the Second Amendment confers a collective, not an individual right.

In writing about the ruling, Professor Volokh stated that he found it "disappointing." Considering how many aspects of Second Amendment law and scholarship Judge Reinhardt got wrong, characterizing the opinion as "disappointing" would perhaps constitute a monumental understatement.


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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Note that the Letters of Marque and Reprisal clause shows *clearly* that the Founders where familiar and comfortable with highly effective private arms -- the equal of the regular army and navy arms. They even found employment of such private armed forces a desirable thing by so providing for it.

In fact -- by order of the things as written in the Constitution, and order may be important to understanding -- the provision for use of private armed forces precedes the establishment of a regular army and navy!

21 posted on 12/13/2002 8:08:51 AM PST by bvw
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To: alloysteel
"When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British parliment was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually....I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."......George Mason during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"who are the militia?are they not ourselves?....Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American..".....Tench Coxe, The Pennsylvannia Gazette, February 20, 1788.

"A malitia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves....all men capable of bearing arms....".....Richard Henry Lee of Virginia, Additional Letters, from the Federal Farmer, 1788

22 posted on 12/13/2002 8:33:07 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: bvw
I think it very important that all those reading about the “Miller” decision know that when it went before the United States Supreme Court, that there was only one side “Argued and Briefed” the person “Miller” whose case went up to the U.S. Sup. Court, could not afford the coping cost, back in those day’s before computer’s , Zerox copiers, and me think’s mimographs.
23 posted on 12/13/2002 8:51:35 AM PST by Stanwood_Dave
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To: Stanwood_Dave
Sure, you are right -- Miller was a half-cocked decision all around. Modern military forces use short barreled shot and scatter guns, and they did in the past. Maybe they were out of regular military favor in the thirties -- don't know. But even that little judicial notice, that a gun can be borne only if it is in use by the regular military has no basis -- half-cocked all around.
24 posted on 12/13/2002 9:18:22 AM PST by bvw
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To: asformeandformyhouse
That's an interesting article, though Copperud's conclusion on the original meaning of 'regulated' are at odds with those of other scholars. I guess I believe that the meaning has changed from something more like 'efficiently operating', but there is a larger issue.

Where do the 'milita' come from? They are us, and the regardless of the actual meaning of 'well-regulated', a skilled militia is 'necessary to the security of a free state.' The skills to provide an effective militia are learned prior to service in the militia, by ordinary citizens who use weapons for non-military purposes.

Take out the 'well-regulated' part of the Amendment, and grant to the gun-grabbers their preferred interpretation of 'militia' to be only some formal, government-controlled organization. The 'right to keep and bear arms' must still be an individual right in order to provide the required 'security of a free state.'

The amendment would read like this: A militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms will not be infringed so that they will develop skill with weapons before the militia is needed.

I am not advocating the amendment be read that way, because I think the individual right to self-defense is as key a part of that amendment as any militia aspect. As Copperud recognizes, the right to arms is pre-existing, unconditional, and broader than just that required to support the militia. I'm just saying that even if you give the gun-grabbers their interpretation of 'militia', you still get an individual right.
25 posted on 12/13/2002 9:23:49 AM PST by Gorjus
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To: Gorjus
Bang BTTT!
26 posted on 12/13/2002 9:33:32 AM PST by Frohickey
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To: SJackson
From the article: "The problem with Judge Reinhardt's analysis is that the Miller Court's discussion clearly centered on whether a particular shotgun with specific dimensions (a sawed-off shotgun) had a relationship to the preservation of a well-regulated militia, with the answer being no. "

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The Supreme Court found that they could not say whether the shotgun had a use because there was no evidence. There was also no evidence mentioned that indicated that the shotgun did not have a military use. The case was remanded which would conceivably offer an opportunity for such evidence to be presented.

27 posted on 12/13/2002 10:07:11 AM PST by William Tell
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To: Gorjus
I'm just saying that even if you give the gun-grabbers their interpretation of 'militia', you still get an individual right.

Good point.

28 posted on 12/13/2002 10:15:10 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: alloysteel
In 1790 "well regulated" did not mean "tightly controlled by the government" as it does today. It meant "properly operating and well tuned" as in "a well regulated clock keeps the proper time" and not "a well regulated clock is checked by a government inspector once a week". That meaning of "well regulated" would have been completely alien in 1790.
29 posted on 12/13/2002 10:18:59 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: alaskanfan
I think we hurt our cause by even discussing the Militia.

I was a member of the Illinois State Militia and I really don't want to have any part of it anymore.

As I said in my previous post, the Second Amendment is in two parts. My Rights to have a gun or any other weapon are separate from anything the state or a Militia would decide.
30 posted on 12/13/2002 10:23:04 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Gorjus; Jeff Head; Joe Brower; Lurker; Noumenon; wardaddy; Squantos; harpseal; PatrioticAmerican; ..
Why not just go straight to the primary author of the Bill of Rights, George Mason, who defined the militia this way at the Virginia convention to ratify the constitution:

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."

This has been turned completely on its head, and now the fedgov wants ONLY public officials (FBI, BATF etc) to be able to possess "militia weapons".

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George Mason, in case the above was not clear enough, also said:

"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

And I don't think he was advocating that the government should endeavor to enslave the people in that context, as the 9th Circuit Court might choose to read it.

31 posted on 12/13/2002 10:26:50 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: SJackson
BUMP
32 posted on 12/13/2002 10:33:08 AM PST by chuknospam
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To: RogueIsland; alloysteel
I like this example also:

"A well educated citizenry being neccesary to the survival of a free nation, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed."

Use this example on liberal gun grabbers, and ask them how this can be used to mean that only properly qualified universities and schools and other goverment authorized educators should be allowed the "collective right" to own or read books.

33 posted on 12/13/2002 10:34:55 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I've also read a textual exercise which disproves the assertation the the preamble has any true relation to the primary clause, to wit:

"The moon, being made of green cheese, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


34 posted on 12/13/2002 10:38:50 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Ancesthntr; TEXASPROUD; raygun; Lancey Howard; EternalVigilance; M Kehoe; BenR2; zingzang
Ping. Or I should say "Bang."
35 posted on 12/13/2002 10:41:01 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Shooter 2.5
There is no getting around discussing the militia, because when you choose to focus on the 2nd clause, the antis jump straight to the first with their incorrect interpretation, and those in the middle do not know who to believe.

We do need to define milita, though, as it was precisely meant at the time the BOR was written, to completely separate it from today's two common but incorrect meanings, /1/ the National Guard and /2/ right wingers running around the woods with guns today.

36 posted on 12/13/2002 10:44:22 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: SJackson; dd5339
ping!
37 posted on 12/13/2002 10:45:12 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: Joe Brower
So if the moon is NOT made of green cheese, then we do NOT have a right to keep and bear arms?

Now I am all confused.

< /sarc >

38 posted on 12/13/2002 10:45:55 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
The Militia Act is pretty specific as to who the "militia" is comprised of.

In a word, it is US. Using judicial rulings to expand this to the same level as those used to allow women in the military, it'd include them as well.

39 posted on 12/13/2002 10:49:41 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Joe Brower; Shooter 2.5
My point is just that we cannot ignore the first clause based on grammar rules, since that hands it to the antis to mis-use for their purposes, as I told Shooter in #36.

We need to do both, use the grammar/clause arguement, but ALSO dismantle their militia lies.

40 posted on 12/13/2002 10:50:15 AM PST by Travis McGee
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