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To: asformeandformyhouse
That's an interesting article, though Copperud's conclusion on the original meaning of 'regulated' are at odds with those of other scholars. I guess I believe that the meaning has changed from something more like 'efficiently operating', but there is a larger issue.

Where do the 'milita' come from? They are us, and the regardless of the actual meaning of 'well-regulated', a skilled militia is 'necessary to the security of a free state.' The skills to provide an effective militia are learned prior to service in the militia, by ordinary citizens who use weapons for non-military purposes.

Take out the 'well-regulated' part of the Amendment, and grant to the gun-grabbers their preferred interpretation of 'militia' to be only some formal, government-controlled organization. The 'right to keep and bear arms' must still be an individual right in order to provide the required 'security of a free state.'

The amendment would read like this: A militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms will not be infringed so that they will develop skill with weapons before the militia is needed.

I am not advocating the amendment be read that way, because I think the individual right to self-defense is as key a part of that amendment as any militia aspect. As Copperud recognizes, the right to arms is pre-existing, unconditional, and broader than just that required to support the militia. I'm just saying that even if you give the gun-grabbers their interpretation of 'militia', you still get an individual right.
25 posted on 12/13/2002 9:23:49 AM PST by Gorjus
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To: Gorjus
Bang BTTT!
26 posted on 12/13/2002 9:33:32 AM PST by Frohickey
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To: Gorjus
I'm just saying that even if you give the gun-grabbers their interpretation of 'militia', you still get an individual right.

Good point.

28 posted on 12/13/2002 10:15:10 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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Why not just go straight to the primary author of the Bill of Rights, George Mason, who defined the militia this way at the Virginia convention to ratify the constitution:

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."

This has been turned completely on its head, and now the fedgov wants ONLY public officials (FBI, BATF etc) to be able to possess "militia weapons".

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George Mason, in case the above was not clear enough, also said:

"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

And I don't think he was advocating that the government should endeavor to enslave the people in that context, as the 9th Circuit Court might choose to read it.

31 posted on 12/13/2002 10:26:50 AM PST by Travis McGee
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