[Stingray51]

I simply cannot agree. Yes, JPII has worked hard for Christian unity. You could look at this as a strategy for conversion. But it is completely top-down. He prays with the leaders of other religions and engages in dialogue with them. That can only send a message to adherents of these religions that they do not need to convert. The Vatican under him has gone to great pains not to be seen attempting to convert Orthodox in the former Soviet Union (see the Balamand agreement) (so much for Fatima, by the way). As for the Jews, yes he has not gone far enough to satisfy certain Jewish leaders, but he gives every impression of endorsing the view that there is no need for Jews to convert.

How many souls have been lost during decades of dialogue?

[ninenot]

We could argue endlessly, because the bottom line has to do precisely with your question: 'how many souls are lost...?'and neither of us is able to answer.

JPII thinks his method will work, or he wouldn't use it. Some of that "from the top" stuff worked quite well for Ronald Reagan (and JPII and RR were close--and share an acting background, too.)

Another way to ask the question: "how many souls were GAINED by JPII's initiative?"--another which neither of us can answer.

Why is it, BTW, that a priest from North Dakota, of all places, can claim with MORAL CERTAINTY that the worldwide Consecration never occurred, contra all the statements from the Vatican? Does this priest know more than ANYONE else?